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Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Cassel trade value

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  1. tombonneau

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    So from what I'm hearing, there is a very good chance both Sanchez & Bradford might stay for their senior years. That will pretty much make Stafford the only round 1 caliber QB, which means you might have a lot more teams who want a QB willing to part with their first for a guy like Cassel.

    Stay tuned ...
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    Sanchez should stay in for one more year.. He had some injury issues at the start of the season. This might lower is value on some draft boards.. Staying at USC should help him out.. He'll have another year of experience under his belt..


    To me Bradford is over rated.. His arm is slightly better than Penningtons.. I think he's an average prospect..
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    I would tend to agree with you; however, draft-wise, they are still both surefire first rounders if they come out.
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    Assuming his and his agents demands aren't outlandish, still hoping Cassel is in a Pats uniform next year.
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    i'm pretty sure bradford's a redshirted sophmore.
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    OH I agree with you 100%. NFL is revolves around the play of the QB.. And there are so few elite ones that teams reach.. He'll be a reach.. I just don't think he has a high ceiling..
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    Why? No faith in Brady's recovery?
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    Redshirted sophomore = three years out = draft eligible
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    #24 Jersey

    Here's a great post with stats of QB success based on # starts in college :

    Draft Countdown Forums - View Single Post - Sam Bradford to Turn Pro?

    "10 out of 13 QBs drafted in the 1st round between 1998-2005 with less than 35 starts are BUSTS
    76.9 % fail rate
    23.1 % success rate

    2 out of the 13 QBs drafted in the 1st round between 1998-2005 with 35 or more starts are BUSTS
    15.3% fail rate
    84.7% success rate"

    Staying in school is a REALLY good idea for QB.
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    Correlation != causation. It's just as likely that staying in school for another year gives talent evaluators enough film to better judge the player. It's also likely that the very best QBs start younger than the others, so redshirt freshman soph and junior starters are just better players.
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    I've watched just about every game of Bradford's career at OU. This kid came out of nowhere and was only on the roster as an insurance policy. He got the opportunity and never looked back. I don't understand the weak arm contention either. The guy makes ALL the throws and can put the mustard on when called for. He also has an amazing accuracy and touch on his passes, including the deep ball and seems to read through his progressions well not focusing exclusively on the first or second option. Plus he has been schooled in a pro style offense. IMO, if he declares he's a first round lock. So, as a Pats fan and an OU fan, I hope he stays one more year.
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    #24 Jersey

    Believe what you want, it's a huge jump to the NFL and not being ready for it can destroy a telented QB. My opinion is your first argument is ridiculous. Absolutely horrible. Your argument that more talented QB start earlier in college sounds more plausible. Nothing you said convinces me that QB coming out early is a good idea.
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    i know he's available for the draft. i was saying that next year is not bradford's senior year as far as football is concerned.
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    OK, I suppose it's good that I didn't convince you that a QB coming out early was a good idea considering I never made the assertion.

    My post is pointing out (quite correctly) that one has to be very careful about what numbers one chooses to support what argument, and the posted numbers don't necessarily support the argument. Simple stuff, really.

    Edit: added the quote.
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    #24 Jersey

    I think the numbers do support the argument until/unless another explanation is provided.
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    Backup QB has been, in my mind, a question mark almost every season this decade. Flutie? Davey? Testaverde at 40? I have faith in the Pats decision to go with whomever they deem an acceptable backup QB, but it sure is nicer knowing they are a proven commodity.
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    Correlation and causation. If you need more information on how that works wrt statistics there's plenty of information online. Just staying in for another year does not necessarily make the QB better for the NFL. Other causes include the possibility that he falls in the draft due to a down senior year and isn't drafted in the first round (Brian Brohm) or that the guy who comes out early after a hot year or two is over-drafted (Alex Smith). The numbers hardly support the conclusion that guys who stay longer are better. They probably have more to do with lots of teams inability to evaluate and develop QBs well.

    Edit: evaluate -> evaluate and develop.
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    #24 Jersey

    I get it, man, I'm happy for you that you think your math skills are so spectacular. I understand - but I haven't heard a "cause" from you that replaces college experience as the most likely factor.
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    #12 Jersey

    After watching Sanchez absolutely shred the Penn State defense, I'm pretty convinced that he'll be a good NFL QB.
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