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  1. bogey888

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    I really think that Anthony Gonzales will be an all pro WR. I hope he makes it to us with the 28th pick
     
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    I don't know if he'll be an all pro, but I'm right there with you on taking him at No. 28.
     
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    I don't think he will be an all pro or we should take him at 28.
     
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    I really like this player. In fact, in the PFW draft guide he is listed as a good fit for the Patriots.

    it would be great if Willis could drop below #15 and we found a team to trade 24 & 28 for Willis and a mid 2nd. Then take Gonzales with the mid sedond rounder.:rocker:
     
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    That works for me too.
     
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    If we sign another FA WR, and it looks like we're trying, there isn't room for a draftee. We typically had 5 last year - Caldwell, Gaffney, Welker, Jackson, new guy. That's 5 and doesn't even include Troy Brown who may or may not retire. Even if Jackson is PUPed, most think he's not out for the year.
     
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    that is true. but there have been times when we have carried six. and, we maybe looking for one who can stretch the field to clear out for the underneath guys. not sure if gonzalez is that kind of guy although he has the speed. he certainly won't quit on a route even if he knows the ball is going to someone else. he see's the big picture.
     
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    I don't like the line of thinking of not drafting/signing guys because there isn't room. There's ALWAYS room. If somebody comes along who's better than Jabbar Gaffney, Chad Jackson, or Reche Caldwell, then they take their jobs. It makes no sense to not draft/sign a WR because there's no room, and potentially ignoring guys that might be an improvement. That goes for every position. I'd like to have 90 guys in training camp competing for 61 spots. I don't care if the other 29 guys go to the Jets. I hope they all do, we'll know that we're the better team.

    Plus, it allows us to trade guys such as Matt Cassell (7th round pick) or Wesley Britt (free agent signing) and get future draft picks. Cashing in on investments.
     
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    And with Gaffney and Caldwell in the last year of their contracts, I'm not about to pass on a prospect I really like on their behalfs.
     
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    There's a chance we could keep 6, with Gaffney and Caldwell both UFA at the end of the year. But you have to look at it as a factor. We aren't taking a TE now with Watson, Thomas, Brady. We just aren't.
     
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    Fair points. It is all about getting better.....

    The hard part is having a choice of Gonzalez and a number of defensive players, i.e., Spencer or Harris or Revis.
     
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    I agree, but I think that's because of a weak TE class more than anything. If a Daniel Graham or Jason Witten were in the draft, it wouldn't suprise me at all.
     
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    I agree. If Gonzalez, Revis, or Spencer are sitting there at 28 (although I imagine we'd have already taken Revis or Spencer at 24, but maybe Carriker fell to us), that would be an excruciating choice. And I think what would decide it (assuming BB likes them all) is who you would like to wrap up for five years, what the drop-off would be like at that position to the third round, how rare/valuable is the position they play, and how much they'd improve the team short-term.

    I'd have to believe that in this scenario, it would have to be Revis, as #1 corners who can play man coverage are in short supply. But the fifth year allows the drafting of a linebacker who can learn for a year or two and still have enough productive years to be worth drafting in the first place.

    Fortuately, I think other teams will make those choices for us.
     
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    Oh, and as you might have surmised by my avatar, a sure way to get me to read a thread is to title it "gonzo".
     
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    Oh, I thought it had to do with the Muppets or Porn.....
     
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    I think Olsen is every bit the prospect those two are. And what would we do with Olsen ? Keep 4 TE ? Cut Thomas or K. Brady ? No. And, to a lesser extent the situation is the same at WR depending on Troy's decision, Jackson's injury and and FA signings that happen.
     
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    If Olsen performed better than Thomas or Brady? Yes, absolutely cut (or trade) Thomas or Brady (or Mills) or keep 4 TEs.

    Why on Earth would we keep Thomas or Brady if Olsen proves himself better? I don't think we have the best three TEs in the league. The group could be improved.

    Of course, this assumes that BB feels Olson is the best player available and can be an elite TE in the league. I have doubts.

    I guess your point is that we shouldn't draft a TE early because we have good guys there. My point is we should draft whomever the best player available is, regardless of position (QB excepted).
     
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    We aren't going to use a #1 pick on a position where it would result in cutting a good player. Argue the theory all you want, it's not happening.

    Now, let's say Brown retires, we don't sign a FA WR and Jackson is out for the year - yes, WR is in play because all we have is Caldwell, Gaffney, Welker. Given that Jackson is likely to not miss the year, that's 4; and as they seem intent on signing a FA WR (based on looking at Stallworth and Washington), that's 5. Then there's Troy. If Brown retires and we have 5, it's conceivable we could keep 6 WR with an eye to Caldwell/Gaffney being UFA in 12 months. But given the quality of our bottom guys there compared to our bottom guys at LB and DB . . . we're very likely drafting defense with both #1s.
     
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    This is the smartest comment I have read in weeks, I may have to change my signature again...

    I would add it is not even about being better, if a rookie can be as good as a veteran he has an advantage. At the end of every unit on the team there is room for improvement, the only positions that are completely off the board in round 1 are QB, PK and P.

    Ideally the picks on Day 1 are used in a competition for the primary backups (3rd CB, 4th WR, 5th LB, etc.) but in some cases the rookie exceeds expectations and starts (Mankins).
     
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    It's about the difference in quality between what you draft and who he replaces. A WR would replace a quality player - Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson, Welker, FA WR (who we appear to be going after). Who are you going to cut or are you keeping 6.

    Then look at our bottom LB and DB. It's not about "room" it's about the difference of the new guy minus the replaced guy.
     
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