Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by weswelker#83, May 14, 2008.
Have you forgotten that Obama is only doing as well as he is because he's black?
So this is okay:
but not this:
Just because Obama's half black? Or because he's a democrat? I mean, if we can have GWB as the Chimp in Chief, what's wrong with Obama?
Freedom of speech, as long as you think as I do and talk as I do and for God's sake don't upset me!
Oh, and btw--the guy's donating profits to muscular dystrophy or one of those type of charities.
i don't see the chimp in chief T SHIRT ????
a.paul, there is no stereotype of a monkey and a white guy that I ever heard of. The stereotype of blacks as monkeys dates back to an era when blacks were thought of as less than human. You really should be ashamed of yourself for trying to defend a racist stereotype, and frankly your effort to do so surprises me.
So the difference for you is that someone put it on a shirt instead of just the web?
where is the Tshirt ?
I figured you'd arrive sooner rather than later.
Yes, there is a stereotype. One that vanished--except for being perpetuated by the same people that always play the race card--from just about all aspects of society.
I don't get pissed off when the Irish are portrayed as drunken louts...or even as monkeys.
What part of "so the difference for you is that someone put it on a t-shirt instead of just all over the web" do you have a hard time understanding?
Racists are everywhere.
BTW, Patters: I haven't yet defended a racist stereotype. That would be one of your cute little digs, where you try to accuse someone of something without actually saying it.
All I've done is point out that we've had 8 years of Bush the Chimp and so forth and so on, and this is a free speech issue, offensive or not. Just as all those anti-bush web pages, pictures and books are.
So when you decide to repeal the First Amendment, you let me know so I can stop worrying about it.
I certainly hope you're not calling me a racist. Because that would be deeply offensive.
It's pretty funny. You have to march in lockstep or you're called
I don't think you're a racist, but the motive behind those t-shirts is 100% racist. Try going up to any black person and call them a monkey and see how they react. It sure as hell won't be the same as if you said it to a white person.
Whites don't get to decide one day that words aren't offensive anymore after they've been used for hundreds of years to degrade an entire race. If you think calling a black person a "monkey" doesn't have intense racist connotations then you are very confused.
Free speech, my azz! The First Amendment has always been used as a cover for people who are making a racist point. Anyone who pretends to not know what this is about is full of sh!t. Free to what?...say that Obama is a monkey that's curious? This T-shirt is meant to make fun of black people - Obama in particular - even though the retards down in Georgia doing this stunt don't know he's half white and think he's a Muslim..
George Bush looks like a monkey and thinks like one (apologies to monkeys).
When the Irish were made fun of in those cartoons, they objected vehemently. Their churches and civic groups were outraged. The Irish were being made fun of because of their "race" according to the WASP establishment of the time. The Irish were sh!t on for being Irish, papists, having too many kids, and being stupid.
That was the point of this T-shirt - except it was for blacks. It's wrong in either case. If one of my kids wore that shirt or made a racist commentary like that, they wouldn't see outdoors for a month. Even my 9 year-old would know that that's racist.
So if you walk up to a black guy and call him an ape, that's the same thing as walking up to a white guy and calling him an ape?
How about if you called David Ortiz a nigger? Are you going to protest that you're being forced to "march in lockstep" after the guy breaks your face?
Quite a stretch, you have to go to a Danish website to find this one... another credible source.. have fun all by yourself.. it is a wornderful world you live in.
Without regard it has the same meaning as porch monkey and many other comments that are inherently racist.. there is no ifs, ands or buts about it... if you choose to suppor this type of stuff it is your loss..
If you call a white man a nigger it is no biggie, if you call a black man a nigger it is a big deal.. if you call a white man a monkey it is not a big deal but for a black man it is.. once again another meaningless thread about racism by a bunch of old white guys with an unhealthy dose of underlying anger..
You're didn't point out it's a free speech issue until now. In fact, no one has raised that issue at all. The clear implication of your post is that you're saying, What's the big deal of making Obama out to be a monkey when the same was done of Bush?
You ludicrously argue that the monkey stereotype of blacks has vanished when in fact it's being used in the photo.
Otherwise what is the point that the the guy is trying to make? What does Obama have in common with a monkey? (At least Bush sort of looks like a chimp.) Why do you think the guy chose a monkey? (According to the Herald, some have described "he tavern owner "as an ultra-conservative," so it's not likely he made the shirts in support of Obama.
I honestly was going to post, "this is where Harry comes in and says 'I could say something right now but I won't'" but I decided not to for some reason, wish I had
But you can if you choose..
I've referred to George Bush as a chimp. The reason for that is he regularly acts with limited intelligence, despite FOX News insistence of his eloquent speaking ability. Now, explain to me how anyone can compares Obama to a monkey..............
It is amazing that a man of "limited intelligence" can graduate from BOTH HARVARD AND YALE (with better grades than John Kerry), isn't it?
I love this bar, been there, good times!!! No matter what Obama does, he doesn't have a prayer (christian or muslim) of winning Georgia. The latest poll has McCain with a 58% to 40% lead (in a state that is about 50% black). Isn't it funny how Bush can be called EVERYTHING in the book, but anything you say about Obama is racist.
So...what you're saying is that in today's society, where we've got black people as the top earning entertainers, top athletes, SecState, on the supreme court, and more than likely the nominee of the dominant political party, there are still different rules for everyone?
So if there are two kids playing in the park on the jungle gym (monkey bars), and they're climbing like crazy, and someone says "wow, you're a couple of little monkeys", that person is racist?
And I can't call David Ortiz a big ape, but when my ex called me a big ape it was okay?
I don't get it. I'm sorry, I just don't get it. We live in a world where the n word is heard in movies and music and on television, but no one is supposed to use it. If a black rapper calls women "ho's" it's fine, but let some middle aged white bufoon do it and he's racist and needs to be fired.
At what point are we going to be able to relate to each other as people, and not as skin color?
GJAJ...danish website? It was the first one that popped up under google images. Try the search yourself and see what you find.
And I'm not old.
You're just figuring this out?
They made the t-shirt of Obama as a monkey because he's black. I don't really now how much more simple this can get.
I think you do get it, a. paul, but you don't like it, so you act as if you don't understand it. "Monkey" is a derogatory term for a black person. It is evoked in that t-shirt. The t-shirt is mocking his race. It's not on the same planet as calling Bush a chimp because he's stupid.
You're right, I don't like it. As I said (or tried to say)--at some point we need to get past it. I don't mean "get over it", I mean get past it.
Does that make sense?
But hey--all the publicity is really great, huh? It sold a lot of shirts I bet. Now people from all over the country are calling up the guy's bar to order shirts.
Good thing he's giving the proceeds to charity, huh?
I'm totally lost as to where you are going with this. How can we "get past" racism when people like this idiot are still so blatantly racist? And now he's a good guy because the proceeds of his racism are going to charity? And "people from all over the country" are not going to order these shirts. Would you wear one?
The marquee at the guy's business apparently said, at one point, "I wish Hilary had married OJ." I don't condone the racism, but that's a pretty funny marquee.
One way to get past it might be to not get so wound up about a silly t-shirt? I mean, it's Curious George for chrissakes...I'm willing to bet you that at some point Mr. and/or Mrs. Obama read those books to their daughters. Curious George is an icon, man!
And yeah, one of the stories I read about it he talked about getting phone calls from places wanting to order the shirts. One guy in Pennsylvania ordered 100.
And I didn't say he was a good guy because he was giving the money to Jerry's kids or whatever, I said "at least".
And no, I wouldn't wear one.
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