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    There will be those who advocate for the constitution and believe that this somehow was a good thing, no matter how you cut it vigilante justice is not very good for this country. Somehow his killer will be turned into some type of perverse hero...
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    I'm sure a lot of worse things happened today.
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    Are you OK with this?
    Say no.
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    I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded text.

    I also feel that that unlawfully taking of someone's life is a terrible thing, and to do so in a house of worship is beyond perverted. The person, or persons responsible should be prosecuted and no mercy shown upon them at sentencing.

    That said...... I would be a completely lying if did not come clean and say that I believe wholeheartedly that late term abortion is MURDER and that the victim here was a murderer many time over. That in no way justifies or condones this act, as murder under any circumstance is wrong, but it is what it is.

    I would say that I feel somewhat similar to the way I felt when learn that a murderer is killed (unjustifiably) in prison. It's terrible, but as Beli Fan puts it so well; a lot of worse things happened today.

    The killer should absolutely NOT be regarded as a hero, but the victim should also not be portrayed as some kind of martyr on the alter of human compassion either. This is a crime no doubt, but the sympathy factor will not be there for MANY out there. That may not be right, but that is the truth.

    As much as I think this was wrong, I am struggling to find to much sympathy, beyond the personal loss to his family and friends. Thats just the truth. Crucify me if you must, but at least I'm being honest.
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    Murder is not justified and diminishes the cause of those who oppose abortion. I hear the perp has been arrested and is punished for premediated murder.

    Tiller was scum and I will shed no tears for him. If the Christians are correct in their concept of heaven and hell then Mr Tiller is experience far worse than what he inflicted on all the innocent babies he murdered.
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    Somewhere in Hell John Savi is awaiting the arrival of a hated nemesis.
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    This is going to be good! :popcorn:

    Not joining any sides in this debate, just sitting by for the entertainment this will bring...
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    I wonder if his lawyer will argue he was just performing a late term abortion? :confused2:
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    I wouldn't have done it. But a lot of worse things happened today.
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    The dude was a late term abortion doctor.

    File this under you reap what you sow.

    I don't advocate his murder but then again I do not advocate the murders he has a hand in. So perhaps he saw the bright light and pressed the up elevator button ... he got in and it proceeded on a path downward ... gotta suck when it's too late to make amends.
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    I'm tired of being a pusssy around here. Yes I am OK with it. He killed babies about to be born. I am not only OK with this, I celebrate it.
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    So what happens when pregnancies go badly wrong? The woman just dies along with her mal-formed fetus?
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    The only viable reason for an abortion, especially late term, is the baby having serious physical issues that can't be overcome. If that was his practice exclusively then I would change my mind but I don't believe that to be the case.
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    So you're a better judge than the doctors and lawyers who regulated his practice are you?
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    In that 1% of cases you do what is necessary to save the life of the mother. According to the AMA there is no medical reason for this sort of late term abortion.

    This guy killed for profit, the case you describe is what 1 in 10,000 abortions??
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    IMO, yes I am. Lawyers ? Right.
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    How if people keep killing all the doctors who are willing to learn? You can't just read some instructions in a book and be good to go, it takes a dedicated professional years to be qualified to do any sort of medical procedure properly.

    Tilman wanted to open up a Dermatology practice until he realized there was no one left to do this distasteful but necessary job when his father died. By not condemning his assassin in the strongest possible terms you're condemning that one percent you just spoke of to death as well.
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    So the other 99% are practice :rolleyes:
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    Gosh what a great guy sucking the brains out of innocent babies and not using any anesthesis, what a champ. Performing a procedure the AMA says has not purpose in protecting the life of the mother.


    Read post #6 moron.
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    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html#9

    REASONS FOR ABORTIONS: COMPILED ESTIMATES

    rape - - - 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)

    incest - - - 0.03 % (0.01-0.1 %)

    physical life of mother - - -0.2 % (0.1-0.3 %)

    physical health of mother - - - 1.0 % (0.1-3 %)

    fetal health - - - 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)


    --PERSONAL CHOICE" ... 98% (78-99 %)

    --too young/immature/not ready for responsibility --(32 %)
    --economic --30% (21-36 %)
    --to avoid adjusting life --(16 %)
    --mother single or in poor relationship --(12-13 %)
    --enough children already --(4-8 %)
    --sex selection --(<0.1 %)
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    After reading up on PBA i am whole heartily against them unless the mothers life is a stake, which many times isn't the case. But i cannot condone the killing of the DR. I can condone bundaling him and smashing his fingers so badly he will never be able to hold a forcep again.
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    I'm against them if the mother's life is at risk IF the baby is expected to be 100%. The mother has already had 18-40 years of life, the baby has had none. If the baby will be messed up, that's different.
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    Its a case of a know quantity vs an unknow quantity. If the mother is heathy thats a know quantity, we don't know what will happen to the unborn baby. So to me its a matter of saveing a life we know viable and productive vs maybe saving one (the baby) which has an unkown future, and at the same time most likely killing the productive citizen (the mother) I'm putting my money on the known quantity.

    From what i read most of the time its the baby that is unhealthy ex. down syndrom In that case if the mother is healty the down syndrom baby is born not aborted.
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    Find a mother. Ask her if she would give her life to save her baby's.
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    Not in favor of this killing. However, I am glad that this doctor will no longer be performing those despicable, disgusting acts of PBA. The guy who killed him should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, including the death penalty, which I understand the state does have...although, they haven't executed anyone in quite awhile...they have, I believe, 9 prisoners currently on Death Row in the state.
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    Don't hold back. The other side doesn't, why the heck should you? :cool:
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    I've said it on here several times. I AM NOT fully pro-life. I do think there are select times that abortion is possibly a viable option as opposed to carrying a child to term. HOWEVER, late term abortions are not among them.

    Partial Birth Abortion is MURDER. It is plain and simple.

    Partial Birth Abortion is what this guy specialized in. So, while I doubt anyone here is cheering or celebrating the killer, or his action, many just aren't conjuring up tons of sympathy.

    I guess the best way to explain my feeling is to compare it to the way I felt when I heard that Jeffery Dahmer was killed in prison by Christopher J. Scarver. My exact thought was "what kind of savage beast would hit a guy over the head with a barbell over and over?", while at the same time, not having any particular grief over the guy that got killed.

    ....... and before it gets asked. YES, I WOULD FEEL TOTALLY different for other types of doctors that perform early term/fetus abortions and be much more sympathetic in that case. This guys SPECIALIZED in late term abortions of VIABLE fetuses, when there was no threat to the mother or child. Might not be right way to feel, but it is honest.
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    From the Google cache of the pulled website:

    Late Term Abortion Care - Women's Health Care Services, P.A.
    Kindness, love and respect ? I just threw up in my mouth.
    This is not an advertisement for medical situation abortions.
    This IMO is an advertisement for getting rid of a problem you may have.
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