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George Bush negotiates with axis-of-evil Iran

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    Negotiation-good, attacking Iran which will lead to another neverending war-bad
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    Isn't that what the Liberal Democrats ALWAYS want to do "Negotiate", isn't that the "Liberal Way".

    Bush is turning into a Democrat, he's slobbering all over the Criminal Illegal Aliens now he wants to have tea with that little Scumbag in Iran.

    America is in big trouble.
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    This is much more than hypocrisy, this is an acknowledgement of the mess his Middle East policy is in. Bush has been reduced to negotiating with someone that people across the American political spectrum regard as an extremist. It's sort of like political begging, almost as demeaning to our nation as 9/11, the day when Bush cowered rather than returned to DC and looked into the eyes of the world to show American courage and confidence.
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    #24 Jersey

    We negotiated with Iraq too, it was only after Hussein stopped letting the weapons inspectors do their jobs that things escalated. There's no hypocrisy, just liberal selective memory.
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    In my opinion for someone like Bush to make this move exposes how weak we are. It's not like Bush has seriously tried diplomacy before.

    As far as Hussein goes, I think you're forgetting Bush's hand-picked weapons inspector David Kay who was getting the access he wanted. The fact is we were making progress in weapons inspections under David Kay, but Bush grew impatient, and decided loss of life and destruction was the better solution than continued difficult diplomacy. Had we continued with containment and weapons inspections, obviously we would not be in the costly (in every sense) mess we are currently in.
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    What a fraud. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he nukes them you complain, if he ignores them you *****, and now that he is actually talking to them, you criticize. This is exactly what I mean by those who simply hate GW, and are devoid of all objectivity.
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    #24 Jersey

    It's the same with Liberals and the bi-lateral vs. multi lateral nuke talks with N. Korea. Bush has done both and was criticized either way.
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    Funny how many true frauds were suddenly all for Bush's Clintonian approach to North Korea and now are for him negotiating with a terrorist who's arming our direct enemies in Iraq. I think it's a good idea that he's going this route, but the fact that he is doing so reveals just how weak a position he's put the United States in (or, perhaps, he's suddenly seen the light and become a liberal).
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    #24 Jersey

    Get a grip, he's been half liberal all along - that's the problem.
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    No, he hasn't been Liberal at all. It's just that some Conservatives were into denial as to what the neocons have done to Conservativism. Had people like you paid more attention years ago to the complaints that Liberals had about him you might have realized on your own how much Bush and the neocons corrupted Conservativism. Time to take responsibility for your mistake.
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    #24 Jersey

    First, yes he has been liberal in lots of ways.
    Second, I didn't vote for him in 2004 so you can take your advice on my responsibility and shove it.
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    Care to name a few.

    Maybe I'm mistaken, but if we go back, I suspect I could find many posts where you appear to defend his overall approach to world and national affairs.
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    Areas where Bush has been Liberial:

    1) New Medicare Drug Benefit

    2) No Child left behind with T Kennedy resulting in massive expansion of Federal Spending on Education.

    His approach to illegal immigration is not very conservative.

    BTW many os called neocons support these domestic programs.
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    Another fony. You people are comical. You should be happy he is talking to them. I predicted this a long time ago. This falls in line, albeit in less than obvious fashion (and not verbatum), with what the ISG had reccomended last year. Next you will see a draw down in 2008.
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    Such revisionist drivel.

    "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance -- not even today -- of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."

    Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
    Addressing the UN Security Council
    January 27, 2003
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusnewsiraq.asp?NewsID=354&sID=6
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.transcript.blix


    "The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the laser enrichment of uranium support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. ...we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes."

    Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
    Addressing the UN Security Council
    January 27, 2003
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusnewsiraq.asp?NewsID=354&sID=6
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.transcript.blix

    "I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.

    Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

    There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991."

    Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
    Addressing the UN Security Council
    January 27, 2003
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusnewsiraq.asp?NewsID=354&sID=6
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.transcript.blix
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    Huh? WTF are you talking about? We were paying North Korea a randsom while they were building nukes against what the pact they signed dictated. Get a clue! Call a spade a spade. As for Iran, I love how people who complain about our involvement in Iraq, are now talking tough, and beating the war drum with respect to IRan. PLEASE! As if the USA had decided to invade Iran, as opposed to IRaq, you'd have been in favor. Call a spade a spade will you.
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    #24 Jersey

    Patters' only issue is Gay Rights, without legalizing Gay Marriage, there's been no liberal agenda by Bush IHO.
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    Not liberal in that it benefited the insurance and pharmaceutical industries more than senior citizens. Also, it was passed by a Republican Congress. It may not fit your definition of conservativism, but frankly that definition is not the operational one.

    This may come closest, but it's too underfunded to be a serious effort at reforming education.

    Maybe not from the perspective if certain types of social conservatives, but certainly from the perspective of corporate conservatives and I suspect from the perspective of many religious conservatives.

    The fact is when talking out liberalism or conservativism, we can talk about it as a philosophy, where it rarely meshes with reality, or from a political perspective where it's defined by the individuals who conservatives chose to embrace be they the big budget gluttons like Bush II and Reagan or the tax cutting Democrats like Kennedy.
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    It's extremists like you that have destroyed this country. Exrtremists liberals and neocons need to get the fukc out of my country ASAP. The final straw, and the slap in the face to anyone who's been sleeping should be this!

    [​IMG]

    When these two clowns come to an agreement on the destruction of America, people need to take notice! :mad:
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    That's a pretty childish response BF. Bad day?
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    Wow, that's sort of a Nazi kind of statement, only they blamed the Jews and Communists. Those who didn't leave were killed. What do you propose?
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    NK backed out of the Clinton deal when Bush went after them. Ultimately, Bush's approach failed, so he came around, started treating them with respect, and now we're back to the Clinton deal.

    What are you talking about with Iran? Who's beating the war drum? My only point is that for someone like Bush to negotiate with a nut like Ahmadinejad makes me think Bush is in a desperate position. The fact that he is negotiating is great, but I really don't think negotiating with him fits Bush's MO. It's just right now, Bush is running out of options. He has a very weak hand.
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    #24 Jersey

    No, I'm just saying it's your main issue from what I can tell.
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    Now I'm a Nazi. :rolleyes: It just gets better and better in here. I propose that all the extremists in this country move to Mexico or Canada, how's that?
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    I didn't call you a Nazi at all. I'm simply wondering if you're backing up your comment "Exrtremists liberals and neocons need to get the fukc out of my country ASAP" with anything, or was that just a whine? Frankly, I hope (and suspect) it was.
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    I've never hijacked a thread with that issue, and I've rarely started threads on the subject.
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    Wow, you're about as ignorant as it gets when it comes to being partisan. GW went after them so they backed out? Hello, earth to Frauders, NK was building nukes when the deal they signed with Clinton clearly stipulated that they not do so. Oops, what an evil man GW is for holding them to the requirements of a deal we had with them. How terrible!

    As for Iran, I thought everyone in here feels that we should have some form of discourse with them? Weren't you of the opinion that we should talk to them? I thought you were. I know the vast majority of haters in here were. Well, now it look like they are talking about the weather, and all of those haters are now outraged. The ISG says we should talk to them, and everyone complains we are not. We raid an office and arrest 5 Iranians who are supporting the insurgency, and people yell we're instigating a war. The Iranians kidnap 15 British sailors, and people in here say we pushed them to do it. Now, we stop to talk to Iran, and everyone is mad. This is why blind hate is so silly. There is no way any one person could disagree with another 100% of the time. The only instance where that could happen is when hate is involved.
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    #24 Jersey

    Well it's easy to notice the many issues that Bush has leaned towards the liberal side on unless you're focused on one specific issue - whether the one I referred to or some other.

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