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    General William Odom Tells Senate Rapid Withdrawal Is Only Solution

    Testimony before Senate Commitee on Foreign Relations:


    TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE ON IRAQ
    By William E. Odom, LT General, USA, Ret.

    2 April 2008

    Good morning Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. It is an honor to appear before you again. The last occasion was in January 2007, when the topic was the troop surge. Today you are asking if it has worked. Last year I rejected the claim that it was a new strategy. Rather, I said, it is a new tactic used to achieve the same old strategic aim, political stability. And I foresaw no serious prospects for success.

    I see no reason to change my judgment now. The surge is prolonging instability, not creating the conditions for unity as the president claims.

    Last year, General Petraeus wisely declined to promise a military solution to this political problem, saying that he could lower the level of violence, allowing a limited time for the Iraqi leaders to strike a political deal. Violence has been temporarily reduced but today there is credible evidence that the political situation is far more fragmented. And currently we see violence surge in Baghdad and Basra. In fact, it has also remained sporadic and significant in
    several other parts of Iraq over the past year, notwithstanding the notable drop in Baghdad and Anbar Province.

    More disturbing, Prime Minister Maliki has initiated military action and then dragged in US forces to help his own troops destroy his Shiite competitors. This is a political setback, not a political
    solution. Such is the result of the surge tactic.

    No less disturbing has been the steady violence in the Mosul area, and the tensions in Kirkuk between Kurds, Arabs, and Turkomen. A showdown over control of the oil fields there surely awaits us. And the idea that some kind of a federal solution can cut this Gordian knot strikes me as a wild fantasy, wholly out of touch with Kurdish realities.

    Also disturbing is Turkey’s military incursion to destroy Kurdish PKK groups in the border region. That confronted the US government with a choice: either to support its NATO ally, or to make good on its commitment to Kurdish leaders to insure their security. It chose the former, and that makes it clear to the Kurds that the United States will sacrifice their security to its larger interests in Turkey.

    Turning to the apparent success in Anbar province and a few other Sunni areas, this is not the positive situation it is purported to be. Certainly violence has declined as local Sunni shieks have begun to cooperate with US forces. But the surge tactic cannot be given full credit. The decline started earlier on Sunni initiative. What are their motives? First, anger at al Qaeda operatives and second, their financial plight.

    Their break with al Qaeda should give us little comfort. The
    Sunnis welcomed anyone who would help them kill Americans,
    including al Qaeda. The concern we hear the president and his aides
    express about a residual base left for al Qaeda if we withdraw is utter
    nonsense. The Sunnis will soon destroy al Qaeda if we leave Iraq.
    The Kurds do not allow them in their region, and the Shiites,
    like the Iranians, detest al Qaeda. To understand why, one need only
    take note of the al Qaeda public diplomacy campaign over the past
    year or so on internet blogs. They implore the United States to bomb
    and invade Iran and destroy this apostate Shiite regime.
    As an aside, it gives me pause to learn that our vice president
    and some members of the Senate are aligned with al Qaeda on
    spreading the war to Iran.

    Let me emphasize that our new Sunni friends insist on being
    paid for their loyalty. I have heard, for example, a rough estimate that
    the cost in one area of about 100 square kilometers is $250,000 per
    day. And periodically they threaten to defect unless their fees are
    increased. You might want to find out the total costs for these deals
    forecasted for the next several years, because they are not small and
    they do not promise to end. Remember, we do not own these people.
    We merely rent them. And they can break the lease at any moment.
    At the same time, this deal protects them to some degree from the
    government’s troops and police, hardly a sign of political
    reconciliation.


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    FUNNY, that's exactly what the Frontline series does to the cabal's grand plan. And yet it's dismissed out of hand by Bush loyalists just like yourself.

    At this point, is there a post on this forum by you that does NOT show profound hypocrisy?
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    I NEVER dismissed the Frontline series. All I ever said about Frontline was that I didn't personally like the show, having watched a few episodes in the past.

    I also have to ask--why do you keep calling me things like "Bush loyalist"? Just disagreeing with you is enough to make someone a Bush loyalist?

    BTW--are you going to start following me around and demonstrating your love for me again today?
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    First you have to establish whether or not elway is a member of the "right wing", don't you? And you really have no proof of that. Disagreeing with you or NEM hardly qualifies one for that.

    Second, don't you have to establish that there's an "anti gay right wing"? Or at least one more so than anywhere else (I know lots of good democrats, still proudly displaying their Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers who don't like gay people).

    You are such a clown.
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    What's hysterical is to see you cry and moan to Wildo about "i was just joking!!!!!!!!" and yet, when it suits you, you become such an overly literal, indignant pryck. Sorta like how you cry about personal attack, while saying "fu(k you" to other posters.

    You mentioned something about getting over one's self?
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    Yes but you see, you made it personal, so yes, I tend towards not caring about being nice when dealing with a clown like you.

    And no one was "cry[ing]" or "moan[ing]" to Wildo, I was simply trying to explain the situation to him. He seems to always think everyone is out to get him.



    So...tell us, Pressy...what would be wrong with elway preferring men? Is there something wrong with it? Or does the idea of it just get you all horned up?
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    Well, no. That would be you making things personal, long ago. Shall we review? You earned it, just like your mentor, Fog.

    I believe I answered that question in an earlier post. Perhaps, despite your multiple degrees, you didn't grasp it. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that your side of the ideological side of things condemns homosexuality at every turn, yet is quick with quips about making other men their "bytch" and so on. It's really pretty clear the satire I provided, despite your transparent and feigned indignance.

    You should think about taking the night off. You're taking a beating again today, and it's only 7 p.m.
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