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    commencement to swiftboating from war lovers in 10, 9, 8....

    General: Conservatives Are ‘Absolutely The Worst Thing That’s Happened’ To The U.S. Military
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/10/eaton-military/

    Retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004, appeared last night on HBO’s Bill Maher Show.

    “We are in the midst of recovering right now from a constitutional crisis where you had the executive trump the other branches of government,” Eaton said. “Thank god” Congress changed hands in November, he said, giving us “a chance to unsort and figure out how to get out from under this.”

    Eaton lamented that so many service members believe that conservatives “are good for the military.” “That is rarely the case. And we have got to get a message through to every soldier, every family member, every friend of soldier,” that the Bush administration and its allies in Congress have “absolutely been the worst thing that’s happened to the United States Army and the United States Marine Corps.” Watch it:


    One year ago this week, Eaton called for the resignation of then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in a New York Times op-ed. Vanity Fair has a new article checking in on Eaton now:

    His new business cards say “consultant,” primarily because he doesn’t know what else he now is. Since he spoke out, several possible defense-related jobs have mysteriously dried up. ‘Maybe it’s the way I part my hair,’ he says. In late January, his elder son, a 29-year-old Arabic linguist who is an army specialist, went to Afghanistan. His younger son, 27, an army captain who has already spent 14 months in Iraq, will probably go back before long.​
     
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    The new liberal democrat wouldn't be able to run the military, the first thing they would do is take their guns away from them.
    Amen.
     
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    And decorated WWII bomber pilot -- and God knows their life expectancy was about 50% in many theaters -- George McGovern was all for disarming the U.S. and totally trusting the Soviets and Red Chinese in the 1970s.

    People are sometimes wrong, no matter what credentials they own.


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    Imagine what the Muslims would do to us if we had an "Army With No Guns"
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    and occassionally Tom Brady throws a bad pass....

    but the overwhelming majority of the time, especially with GENERALS who speak of firsthand knowledge, they are quite right...
     
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    In this case, and given the anecdotal nature of your premise, I have to say its either McGovernitis or they are simply out to save their jobs. A chilling wind started when Rumsfeld was fired and some top brass in Iraq were also fired.


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    Eaton has been outspoken and he has a certain authenticity about him.

    He might mean the neo-cons, as true conservatives like Buchanon have opposed this nation building and unilateralism for a long time.

    Its only the crazy efftard religious zealots who have abandoned their own "values" to make the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians palatable, exciting, and commonplace. The fact that the Republicans have been hijacked by these nutjobs have sealed the demise of the party.

    Speaking of which, where are all the future theocrats> Seems all the GOP candidates have some "scary satanic" vices like cross dressing, adultery, and 'baby' killing.
     
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    The loons are the #1 reason why the party lost it's grip, deservingly, in November. Sadly though, so long as there is only Coke or Pepsi to choose from, and the loonies on the left hold considerable say, the religious crazies in the right wing won't be enough to permenantly sink the ship. Remember, people claimed the same for the Dems, that they were finished, but how to retract the Washington Generals, since they are the only team against which the Harlem Globetrotter's play? Should the Dems not listen to their recently elected sensibles, and resort to permitting the loony left to run the roost, then it won't be long before the GOP runs a campaign with the headline that reads "hey, we're not them" with a finger pointing in the opposite direction. Thankfully, the more moderate, and fiscally conservative newbies in the Dem party are sticking to principle, and are not letting the loons run the show. I applaud them, and hope they stick to principles over party. Maybe the GOP would learn something if they do.
     
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    I agree about the moderate Dems running the show now. But it also means we'll be stuck in Iraq for a generation or a draft, whichever comes first (my guess will be the latter).

    The most interesting point Eaton makes though is how the military has been tasked with the entirety of foreign policy, and has been exhausted through its abuse- that the John Boltons have prevailed and because of that, we have virtually no diplomatic apparatus. That is finally changing, but is it too late to salvage damage done?

    Time will tell.

    As for finger in the wind pols, Romney and Clinton are the frontrunners. Guliani will be next as he tacks to offset the loss of support that comes as the nuts get a load of what a cross dressing "baby"-killing goofball he is. (oops..wrong thread)
     
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    With every war comes the call of the military being destroyed. A draft will never happen. It's not needed, and any mention of it is strictly political BS, which those not spewing it already know.

    As for the finger winders, we are in complete agreement. Rudi will have to pander some, that's politics. I can deal with some pandering as it's to be expected. The question comes with how much does he have to, or worse, how much will he? I really hate when they side step their principles to look good. Just say what you are, why, and what you're willing to compromise. I can live with that, or I can't. One way or the other, at least I know. The sooner these clowns learn that they cannot satisfy everyone, the better.
     
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    Lets see...if Rudy tacks right, it will be pandering. If Hillary tacks right, its unconscionable phony politics.

    Got it. You are non-partisan after all. :D

    But why do you think its perfectly okay for the military families of america to bare the complete burden in Iraq??
     
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    Negative. Read what I've said, and what I've been saying in both this thread, and others. I said pandering to the masses is part of politics, and is to be expected. Sadly, that is what it is, which is reality. I can deal with some of the obvious pandering. It's the finger in the wind politicians, and those who pander on every issue that I cannot tolerate. See Mitt Romney & Hillary Clinton as the chief culprits. I don't expect a candidate to stand up and alienate voters. Obviously there are going to be some church appearances for any candidate as a matter of due course. Do I ever believe that John Kerry/John McCain walking into a church truly means that they are religous zealots, or are they merely doing it because they kinda have to? I'm willing to accept a little sugar coating so as to not alienate some voters, or open some doors to others. Realistically though, how many candidates can stand up and say "I don't go to church"? Sadly, none that will ever have a chance. Is that how some, or most, feel? Sure it is I bet. For pandering, or political purposes, they can't do that. Nor can they with other important issues. I understand why that's so. What I hate, is when these jokers start quoting the bible, or all of a sudden start doing sunday sermons in some church with that fony expression on their faces. That's too fony for me. Can you understand my point? With politics as they stand in this country, and candidates not being able to take whiz without pissing off somebody, an educated voter has to accept the obvious.

    Having had brother serve 4 years, from '89-'93, during Gulf War one, please explain to me what the complete burden is. I'm honestly asking.
     
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    If I understand you, its the degree of pandering that is troublesome. If I understand you, putting on a codpiece and pretending to land a plane on an aircraft carrier to claim "wars over and we won" is simply politics, but reading the speech of a civil rights activist in a "native" voice is just wrong.

    BTW...I don't like HIllary at all. It was apparent to me that what she was doing all along is "finger in the wind", but tell me which pol hasn't done that.

    The only ones I can see out of the whole bunch, who are true to their convictions, is Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, neither of whom will get a snowballs chance in hell to tell america where they stand as the "oh so liberal" media loves these anti-war positions.

    As for the war burden, you apparently think its a shared burden, that we are all sacrificing equally. Thats interesting. Maybe Eaton and the troops should just stop whining? Walter Reed? Whining? Waiting 17 months for a disability check? Whining.
     
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    I thought the Mission Accomplished crap was a terrible mistake, and I was saying so at the time. My brother, as right wing as Patters is left, was telling me the war was over when that happened. I disagreed needless to say, and I think it's fair to say that the banner and photo op were the first gashes at the hull of the ship. Just as I stated for Pujo's buds, humility is a quality that not enough people cherish. That entire deal was arrogant, and they've paid a political price ever since (see November).

    As for the pandering bit, in essence that is what I'm saying, it's the "degree", or context of it. Personally, I'd prefer the blunt honesty of a Jesse Ventura. Realistically, that works sometimes, but isn't practical in others. Apply that to anything politics, and you can see where pandering has it's purpose at times, and where it doesn't. As is the case with most everything, the limit of what's acceptable is up to the individual. If you think religion blows, you can't go on TV and say that. If you think abortion is a genuine right, you obviously have to express it in a manner that doesn't say "F-you pro-lifers!". I can handle some of the coddling candidates have to succumb themselves to, but I don't like the flat out fakeness. Can you understand what I mean by this?


    Again, I asked you what you meant, care to explain? Or are you only going to assume what I think, and make blanket criticisms?
     
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    RW...the rest of your post begs the question: why do you come off as so stauch GOP hard line, when clearly you accept the moderate position?

    But as to the specifics, I am going under the assumption (until proven otherwise) that less that 1% of our total population is bearing the immediate result of this conflict in Iraq and Afg.

    That troubles me (a putz) and guys like Eaton (a true hero and patriot), a real lot.
     

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