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  1. wistahpatsfan

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    Time to turn the corner because there isn't much time since Obama has foolishly decided to copy the Bush plan in Iraq for the same type of "surge" in Afghanistan. Apparently Obama has decided that being the president means you have to pretend to be a bad ass and show how manly you are by refusing to admit mistakes, even when the reality of the situation is staring you right in the face in Afghanistan. The arrogance of the American government's belief that they and their military are all powerful and irresistable is not unprescedented in Afghanistan, and neither will be the outcome. That is one Santa-forsaken place, and everyone who has attempted to tame it has had their hat handed to them as they were tossed out the door. Obama is a fool and it will cost us a fortune that we no longer have.

    ...Obama has doubled down on his bet, much as George W. Bush did with his risky surge of troops in Iraq under Petraeus's command.

    Here's a simple way to think about the change of command: If the Taliban sold stock, its price would surely have fallen after Wednesday's announcement. It's hard to see how Petraeus can rejigger the pieces of this puzzle, but as I've heard him say: "The thing about winners is that they know how to win."

    Petraeus is, among other things, the most deft political figure I've seen in uniform. In just two years he has gone from being Bush's go-to general to Obama's. He accomplished that transition with some artful dancing, to be sure. But he never forgot that no matter how much of a military rock star he might have become (and how much envy and resentment that created among some of his peers), he still worked for civilian leadership, one president at a time.
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    I agree Whista and you say much better than I could (and nicer).....
     
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    New name: General Betray-us.
     
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    Afghanistan = Viet Nam

    Not a lot more can be said...
     
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    Afghan/Iraq they are Prince Obama's wars now he owns them, he is The Commander In Chief he could have ordered the troops home from both wars the day after he was annointed, Muslims still in Gitmo too.................:singing:

    GET BUSH

    Gitmo
    Alcatraz was shut down and emptied in three weeks.

    GET BUSH

    "hey human rights cry babys, they still have those poor little muslims locked up down in gitmo"

    GOD DAMN BUSH
     
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    It's funny how a guy Obama pretty much dissed, when that Moveon.org General Betrayus crap came out, is now the guy he's turning to, to save his behind. This is on top of the fact that he's opting for a policy he completely despised, and criticized, when the last president was in office.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.
     
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    I think under the circumstances the move was as a good as could be expected. He's probably a better general, but what do I know? I think back though to the “betray us” days on this board when he was just a stooge and just a mouth piece for Bush. While I agree a change had to be made, isn’t it funny how you’re just a mouth piece in one administration if you just go along with the president says but you’re a traitor in another one when you don't.

    Edited to "don't"
     
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    Loons:
    Under Bush=Bad Petraeus
    Under Jug Ears=Good Petraeus

    The USA will never win another war.

    Sometime in the not to far off future Islam will control what once was America, one of their first acts after gaining control will be to Behead all the known Liberals, the Islamic Religion would never ever tolerate their satanic sh!t.

    GOD WILLING DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN AMERICA
     
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    The surge in Iraq was correct, and worked. It's why the news (and you) are now *****ing about Afghanistan instead of Iraq.
    The surge in Afghanistan is different and probably won't work, though the recent change in ISAF command is not likely to affect it.
    Why won't it work? Because attached with the surge is a deadline for troop withdrawl.
    How can you beat an enemy when you're announcing when you're quitting?
    The enemy is NOT stupid. You can NOT win an insurgency with a timetable attached.
     
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    Another dog and pony show. I don't know anything about judging generals either but we DO know Betrayus is a high ranking member of the CFR as well as a Bilderburg guest in 08 and 09. He was voted among the "top 100 globalist thinkers" by the Washington Post.

    He'll happily support Obombya's Afghanistan war policy, otherwise known as the Forever War(s).
    Obama Fires McChrystal, Selects Petraeus to Oversee Forever War in Afghanistan

    Hopey-Changey:singing:
     
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    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts asserts Petraeus is in place to become the Republican Pres candidate:Paul Craig Roberts: Is Petraeus McChrystal's Replacement or Obama's?

    Timing is apparently everything.
    Paul Craig Roberts: Is Petraeus McChrystal's Replacement or Obama's?

    He goes on to say the Afghanis will also take the money and wait it out, just like the Iraquis.
     
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    Afghanistan is probably untameable. So the thing to do is to keep beating down the Taliban until some other group of warlords comes along. Then declare victory and get out.
     
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    OK, just for some clarity:

    Under Bush, he was bad...very, very bad.

    Under Obama, he's good...very, very good.


    I just want to be clear and understand fully. Cause TBH, all this very confusing.

    Should I change my opinion of him to bad...cause he's now good :confused2:





    IMHO: General David Petraeus is a good man and is the right choice for the job. Obama rightly had no choice but to accept McChrystal's resignation. To have done otherwise would have compromised the chain of command.
     
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    'Gen. Petraeus and His Senate of Vassels':
    Winslow T. Wheeler: General Petraeus and His Senate Vassals

    Wheeler goes on to comment on a previous hearing involving Petraeus:
    The author ends by saying the July 29th hearings will be much the same, as anything which borders on discussion/controversy would require a different set of players.
     
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    What are you talking about? Be specific, please.
     
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    Not speaking for RW but you couldn't have missed Obama's strong opposition to the surge in Iraq could you?
     
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    What does that have to do with the current military strategy in Afghanistan?
     
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    That wasn't his point was it? Patreaus masterminded the the execution of the surge to make it work and Obama said it wouldn't work. It did and Obama sort of concedes that now. He is leaning on the guy he didn't believe would succeed militarily to do just that now.....now that he see that he is capable.
     
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    This is what RW said:

    He's not opting for the "surge" policy in Afghanistan.
     

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