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  1. Deus Irae

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    There's some interesting commentary in the article. Here are a few points:

    Time to communicate - Christopher Gasper's Blog - Boston sports news - Boston.com
     
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    Watch. If Wilfork goes in the offseason, we'll see the same people that are complimenting Wilfork on his attitude toward the contract negotiations now saying that he was "always a cancer" and "chasing the almighty dollar" if/when he goes to another team and speaks out. It's almost a travesty that he hasn't been re-signed yet.
     
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    I suspect that there isn't a lot different in "communication", aside from that one bad seed who continues to go to the media. We lost a lot of leaders in the locker room for sure, but others will step up, the team will improve and this will be another "they hate their coach" memory.
     
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    Oh OK except there is no evidence to suggest that will be the case. Unless you have examples of specific posters being hypocritical like this, then it's not fair to lump 2 arguments into one and accuse them as coming from the same person.
     
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    Gasper the Friendly Ghost can't do better than this??
    This team is 7 - 5 because the virtually intact offense has struggled this season with a new coach in Bill O'Brien on the sidelines and a QB coming back from a year off and a significant injury. Do you notice how the media refuses to train their eyes on Tom Brady and this O??
    Vince Wilfork and his contract isn't the problem at all right now and Dick Seymour's presence would not have changed the outcome of a single game this team. How do we know that?? Dick producted 1 and 1/2 sacks in the 5 losses the Patriots had last season to the Jets, Dolphins, Colts, Steelers and Chargers and did so when 1 on 1. The days of Double Team Dick have been over for a couple of years at least. Dick doesn't save his best games for the biggest opponents. Seymour as a team leader is also highly overrated. Dick was a guy known for playing hard when the smell of money inspired him. Hardly leadership qualities.
    Jerod Mayo and Brandon Meriweather are the future leaders of the D. BB needs to rid the team of cancers Thomas and Springs so these leaders can blossom.
     
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    I don't recall anyone spewing venom about Richard Seymour last season the way people have lately. I know you read the thread so I don't believe I have to list specific examples for you.
     
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    I hope we do re-sign Vince but if we don't I've got no problem with him. Vince Wilfork plays hard, keeps his mouth shut and doesn't strut around like a rooster in heat telling anyone and everyone who will listen how he's a "man" ala Dick Seymour.
    I was critical of the Big Overrated when he was here so my critique of him now that he's gone is no different. I've got no issue with Vince Wilfork and if he leaves I'll wish him well. Terrific player and a hell of a guy who will be missed if he does leave.
     
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    I completely agree
     
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    I'm proud to say I've had the same low opinion of Dick the Big Overrated Seymour for at least a couple of years now and have freely shared those thoughts with my fellow Patriot brethren on this site. And I've had company that's been in agreement with me for those couple of years.
     
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    so many reactionary articles about the entire season. Brady doesnt throw and INT in miami in the EZ and gasper would have to shut this article up for a few more weeks. I hate this timely crap. If players had issues with seymour being let go and and you as a report want to write a story then do it then . Dont do it when its convenient for you .
     
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    I did, never liked the guy. Even when the kool-aid was being shipped in faster than the players could drink it, Seymour was about Seymour.

    Wilfork is another story. The front office should have given this man his money by now. Kaczur, Neal, Warren, AD, Koppen, Light, Green, etc all have bigger cap hits than Wilfork in 2009. He gets much respect from me for playing his best every game while having every right to moan and cry. He is a man who signed a contract and will play it until the end. A great example of a man who's word is more important than the $.
     
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    Agree 100%. I generally ignore opinion pieces, because while these "journalists" tend to be talented, trained writers, they generally lack such qualifications with regard to the game itself. To me, "sports columnist" is nearly a contradiction of terms.
     
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    A pretty gossipy article, which might well be true but it's impossible to know whether this is coming from 3 or 4 players, or more. Gasper doesn't want you to know. He also doesn't know the difference between ferment and foment, which is pretty funny for a supposed journalist.

    The fact remains though that once the players start dictating who plays and who doesn't, it will only be a matter of time before Gasper gets to write articles about how BB isn't the boss anymore. When Carroll was here Borges constantly mocked him for trying to placate the players; he's been eviscerating BB ever since for not placating them. Borges constantly reminded people on the radio and in his columns that "your players will get you fired"...and he has been pushing for that to happen here for years.

    It seems very possible that Springs is being punished for being an *******...and maybe it's backfiring. Is it any surprise that players that come from Washington and Baltimore, where the coach is "chill as long as you a playa", are chafing in NE? Too many new faces, too many new coaches. Not enough accountability.

    The point about Wilfork is true, though--if he were getting paid better, he'd be a more important force in that room.
     
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    Let's assume 2010 is capped. I'd franchise Wilfork, trade him for a 1st round pick and go after Casey Hampton or Aubrayo Franklin (he will probably get the tag). In the end, you'd save money, gain a first round pick without much of a drop off (if any) at the NT position. If the Pats ever want a balanced defense, they're going to have to let Wilfork go get his money somewhere else.
     
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    We're witnessing a team that is going through change
    ... media blowhards trying to make some extra money off of it.
     
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    Truth. Although I think that BB could stand to question some of his own tactics, and could probably use some vocal assistants, the media stance is almost always going to be in favor of failure and controversy. It's just better for them, professionally. You know this by considering that while losing and discontent are bad and are worth covering, even in 2007 when the Patriots were dominating and everyone was focused and unified, much of the coverage was negative and critical: they were too cold, too machine-like, they had a dark cloud over them, they were mean, they were feeling the pressure--if not this week, then surely next week, right?

    While columnists do offer some insight into the locker room dynamics, their writing will always be slanted. It's just what sells.
     
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    Can anyone explain to me why Big Vince has not been extended yet? For the life of me I just don't get this one. I'll chug the Kool Aid with the best of them but management has dropped the ball here! Big Time!!!
     
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    He would costa too much money. Maybe they think money would be best spent elsewhere on say a 32 year old malcontented LB who can't rush the passer to save his life.
     
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    Just not a fan of Gasper. I'm all for criticizm of BB, but Gasper is spending too much time on 98.5 and listening to Joey From Malden...
     
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    I don't believe Gasper's hysterics, but if I did it's almost like a few losses would be good for this team so we can figure out who all the weak-kneed malcontents are. These are grown men, and if they can't figure out a few obvious things about Belichick, then they don't deserve to be on the team.

    The Patriots won as a team--and if they get rid of the malcontents, I'd be happier to see them go down fighting than win a few to cover over the festering cancers.
     
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