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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    It was only a matter of time before this came along.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    I saw the story in today's Globe, started to write about it then decided he wasn't worth it. He spends, what, four paragraphs complaining about not being able to criticize BB because of stupid fans?

    Anyway, I've promised myself I'd stay away from anything Gasper until his voice changes. Remember when Globe sportswriters used to be grownups? Those were the days.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    I miss newspapers. I tried to grab the screen, crunch it in a ball and toss it, but it didn't work.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Gaspar!

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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Rare is the coach able to deliver vintage results.

    None of the coaches in Belichick's sphere (other than Noll) continued coaching long enough to prove Glasper correct. Noll is the only example we have of a great coach who didn't win as he got on in age. All the other got out at the top, Gibbs, Lombardi, Walsh. We don't know what they would have done if they kept at it.

    Was Auerbach done winning when he handed the reigns over?
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    I don't read this pre-pube, but Bill Simmons made this same argument in an article written about a year ago, which is likely where Gasper got the idea.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Another day, another article written in Boston to get hits and cause controversy.

    Nothing to see here, move along.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    There's nothing really controversial in the article.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Apparently there's nothing worth reading, either.......
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    What does age have to do with it? Gasper fails to acknowledge things like:

    - Chuck Noll had a near decade draught with the Steelers before he stepped down. In his last seven years of coaching, he made the playoffs once. Noll peaked at age 47 and only had two more playoff wins for the rest of his career. Comparing him to Belichick in terms of age is a little silly. Noll's success disapeared when the Steel Curtain defense broke up. It had nothing to do with age.
    - Landry's playoff success went down hill with the retirement of Stabauch.
    - Gibbs decided to retire with three Super Bowls and pursue his outside interests (NASCAR). When he returned, he had to deal with Daniel Snyder's stupidity and being away from the game for nearly a decade didn't do him any justice since he seemed to struggle with the speed difference of the game since he left.
    - Jimmy Johnson was pretty much forced out because of his conflicts with Dan Marino, the owner siding with Marino, and Johnson being hamstrung with Marino eventhough he played about 2-3 years too long. Johnson wanted to bench Marino in 1999 because he was clearly done and it turned into a bitter feud between the two (there was tension before that since Johnson wanted to trade him and Wayne Huizenga wanted to keep him). Both Marino and Johnson were gone after that season. If Johnson could have traded away Marino when he had value, he might have stayed with the Dolphins even through today for all we know.
    - Bill Walsh retired by choice. It wasn't like he couldn't coach anymore.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    I had HOPES for gaspar...that MAYBE he'd be more like Reiss...but NOOOOOOOO he's following in Felger's being a twit or worse!! YES I remember when adults RAN the Globe..not #*@&*$@
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    If you believe what they are saying... someday our computer monitors will be the size of paper which will make it that much easier to toss like a newspaper. :p
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Gasper fails to realize that he's not seeing an age correlation, but the ancient idea that "time changes all things".
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Nor anything particularly insightful or enlightening.

    Most unsuccessful coaches likely get flushed when they are younger. Most great coaches can be identified by great players, who ultimately age and retire thus explaining sporadic season records. The life as a head coach takes a toll that most are unwilling to pay for an extended period of time. Any of these would explain why coaches do not sick around for late life success stories. The age reference is fairly arbitrary given the other reasons head coaches hang up the headset.

    The article appears to suggest, despite the evolution of player personalities on the roster, that Belichick has "lost a step." He has made moves criticized by the media since his arrival (Bledsoe, Milloy, etc.), so if anything he is consistent. Love him or hate him, he is the same coach and appears to be as committed to the game as he ever was.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    PRE PUBE you hit the nail on the head

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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    I agree. Nothing to see here.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Belichick will never win again as long as he keeps on playin Bon Jovi during practice. Are the Patriots players a bunch of middle aged New Jersey housewives? Wrecks Cryin knows how to motivate today's playa....call em slap dicks. Now lets go get a snack!
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Vermeil coached for a long time, not that he was very good in his later years, but he wasn't much different than his years with the Eagles. I think he was 63 or so when he won the Superbowl with the Rams.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Same here, Bill Simmons has been toeing this line for a few years now.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    This Gasper column belongs in the "Come on, man!" segment.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Some writers just like to trash the Pats, with Borges saying Brady won't retire a Patriot, and now this. That being said, there is some validity to the thought that the game may have passed Belichick by. I said it last year, it may have been in anger and in frustration, but I truly started to feel that way.

    His drafting has been awful, his defenses no longer catch anyone off guard, his halftime adjustments have been terrible. For someone labeled a defensive guru or defensive mad scientist, his defenses have been incredibly vanilla. I love the Pats, and love Belichick, but sometimes the game just passes you by. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Compared to whom?
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Gasper is an idiot, nothing really beyond that. Belichick has delivered 3 superbowls...3 more than any other patriots coach.The NFL is a league of parity and besides the Colts and Pats, no one else has been competitive for the entire decade.

    While we worry about the young secondary now, what if in 2 years that secondary becomes a beast, with Vince, Mayo, and Spikes in their prime. You could have a top defense, and still have a good enough offense to win games, much like 2001-2004.

    Most clubs are competitive for a few years, then sink into .500 or below territory for a couple of years as they rebuild. Bill is trying to rebuild his defense while winning
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    His drafting has been horrible? He has had a few bad years, but his last two years look pretty good. But look around the league. The Colts who are supposed to be the gold standard have wasted first round picks in about four drafts if you count the first rounder they traded to get Tony Ugoh. They have drafted Joseph Addai (started out a stud and turned out a dud), Donald Brown, and Anthony Gonzalez (has slipped to third or fourth WR). None of them have lived up to first round pick status. I can go around the league and look for more.

    As for halftime adjustments, we are talking one year. The Pats had no problem with halftime adjustments prior to last year. It may be because he had a rookie signal caller and no weapons for Brady beyond Moss and Welker.

    As for the defensive schemes being vanilla, what are you talking about? The preseason?!? I wasn't a huge fan of Dean Pees, but the defense was not vanilla.

    The Pats were 18-1 in 2007, 11-5 without Brady in 2008, and 10-6 last year with a banged up Brady and Moss. How exactly has the game passed him by? Because based on last year alone, he is just an above average head coach rather than an elite coach. Personally, I think his performance during the 2008 season was the best of his career since he won 11 games with a QB who hadn't had a start since high school and may never be good again.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    With all of those terrible and awful things, it's a wonder why we don't send 12 guys to the probowl every year. I mean if the coaching/drafting is so absolutely piss poor, you'd have to give the credit to the extreme talent of the players for the reason why we continue to be a winning team. I mean especially since we had HOF Matt Cassel 2 years ago.

    Seriously, if the game has passed him by. Who exactly in the last 3-4 years has a better track record? The game doesn't pass by people who ADAPT, it passes by the stubborn fool who refuses to adapt.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Borges was a great boxing writer. He's never been worth a damn when talking about football. He simply does not understand the game at all, and makes no attempt to. He simply spits venom at the patriots.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    Before Borges developed the contrarian persona, he was a pretty good football writer. I mean you gotta go back to the 90s to see good examples of his writing, but there was a time when he was pretty good.
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    Re: Gasper:BB is too old to coach ?

    You've gotta be talking early 90s, and at this point, thats so far back that I'm not convinced he hasn't been replaced by a robot or something.
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    I sometimes wonder how McDonough would be regarded here in the age of twitter and blogs and hyper media competition -- andwith a fan base that's very supportive of a highly successful regime.

    He definitely had a chippy side to him and didn't lack for self-confidence. He also backed up everything he said - -one way or another. ( Just ask Ray Clayborn.)
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