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  1. Holy Diver

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    Anyone else see the piece last night about other nations healthcare systems? It was pretty interesting. Switzerland, German, and Taiwan all had universal coverage at a fraction of our cost. Still keeping the medical industry PRIVATE. Still having insurance companies PRIVATE.

    Taiwan being the tightest with costs only 8% of the nation's budget compared to our 16%. Their administrative costs were 2% compared to our 22%.

    Wait times for almost all nations, except Japan seemed to be the same or better than the wait times in the United States. Japan has virtually no wait time.

    Doctors made less money than in the united states, but here is the catch. Most doctors in other nations pay little to no tuition to get their education, so they don't start out in the hole out of school.

    Almost ALL of the systems had a free market system for prices, bid upon annually.


    why can't we take the best parts of teh best systems and make them work for our people? What is wrong with Private care, private insurers, and a free REGULATED market?
     
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    Please, that makes WAAAY too much sense for it to actually come to pass. No, we CLEARLY need to turn the whole shebang over to the government and watch how efficiently and fairly they run it. Hey why not, we've already seen what a great job they've done with the IRS, FEMA, the Pentagon, the VA...

    The common theme for these countries seems to be making sure everyone gets health insurance, lowering administrative costs, negotiating prices with hospitals collaboratively, and making sure insurance co. profits don't go wild. Seems pretty sensible to me, and would require only tweaking of our current system, not the wholesale overhaul that many are talking about. Our healthcare system is really very good, its a matter of making it more affordable across the board to purchase private insurance, and helping out those without the means to buy it themselves. I'd also hope that any new plan gives an honest estimate of additional expenses, unlike what happened in MA where now we're in the hole because the gov't underestimated how many people would be signing up (pretty stupid there, I mean all they had to do was look at population numbers and subtract the ones making enough money that they don't qualify, ho hum just more gov't goodness).
     
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    I saw a small piece of the Japanes segment. As PC would say breath taking what some countries are able to accomplish.
     
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    Check the # of lawyers per capitia in Japan and in the US...
     
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    the lawsuit coverage was guite affordable too. There is NOTHING wrong with tweaking the system to refelct the positive aspects of other systems. Our system is broke, and doesn't cover MILLIONS. 50 % of the home forclosures in californa are due to healthcare costs.

    the only people who benefit from the current system are Insurance companies, Drug Companies, and rich people. Its only a matter of time before we do this, we should start thinking about doing it right.

    Taiwan's admin costs are so low because of the Client Card, to database, to billing system that completes all of those transactions with a single swipe.
     
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    I was struck by the 22% of cost being compliance, that probably doesn't even include malpractice ins, I am not optimistic about the govs ability to address these costs. If the single payer sys isi adapted the compliance costs will go up not down.
     
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    do yourself a flavor...and watch it. Its very interesting to see how countries attacked these issues.
     

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