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  1. Patters

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    I like this new law, and I like the ban on Burkas (as well as large crosses and yarmulkes) in schools. I also like the fact that the French only allowed the Notre Dame church (the magnificent church in the heart of Paris) and other churches to stay as the property of the church if they would open it up as a public tourist attraction. Thus, the French don't single out one religion over another; they are simply trying to protect their common values and the separation of church and state.

    France bans street prayers | Reuters

    A French ban on praying in the street came into force on Friday, driving thousands of Muslim worshippers in northern Paris into a makeshift prayer site in a disused fire brigade barracks, angering a small but vocal minority.

    The street-prayer ban has highlighted France's problems assimilating its 5-million-strong Muslim community, which lacks prayer space, and follows a long-running controversy, fanned by far-right leader Marine Le Pen, over Muslims forced to lay their prayer mats on the streets in big cities.

    Interior Minister Claude Gueant directed Muslims in Paris to temporary spaces made available pending the building of a huge new prayer space and warned that force would be used if necessary as police end their tolerance of street prayers.

    Seven months before a presidential election, the ban has struck some in France as an attempt to rally far-right sympathizers to President Nicolas Sarkozy's center-right camp.
     
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    If we ever tried to pass such a law here, it's people like you who would be the first to scream bloody murder. You know why? Well here's a hint: There's only one religion I can think of where you may see someone on the knees praying right then and there in the middle of the street.

    Here's another hint: This religion isn't Christianity of Judaism.
    Gee, Patters, thanks for explaining to us all what Notre Dame is. :rolleyes:

    I shore does wish I visited Pair-ee! Maybe's then I wood know whut that big huge pointy like tower thing done be called!
     
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    No, people like me would not scream bloody murder, though there would be a coalition of religious conservatives and liberals who would.

    I don't presume to think that everyone knows that Notre Dame is a particularly special church in Paris.
     
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    I thought it was a school in Indiana.

    :D
     
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    Why wouldn't you?

    I'm not sure what goes on with prayer in France, but if the people aren't obstructing others, why shouldn't they be permitted to pray on the street?

    This goes for people of every religion. I may think the folks wandering around talking about salvation, preaching from the bible, etc. are a bit delusional, but they have every right to do it in our country.
     
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    I think wandering around preaching is one thing, but occupying a public space is quite another. I believe in our our country, people generally need some sort of permit to congregate in a public space. I don't think the French law is intended to ban an individual from privately praying in a park; it's intended to ban a group of people from blocking sidewalks with prayer events.
     
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    Well they might not be exactly praying, but I'd rather they did pray instead of this goofy sh!t:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    So why not call it a ban on blocking the sidewalk?

    Funny, I'm an atheist and at least a little arrogant about it and I'd be 100% against doing that here in the USA.
     
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    Oh wait:

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    "...Well here they are, at the Wall Street bull statue thing, praying to Jesus for money. The dingbat has explained, “We are going to intercede at the site of the statue of the bull on Wall Street to ask God to begin a shift from the bull and bear markets to what we feel will be the ‘Lion’s Market,’ or God’s control over the economic systems.” Don’t they know that God taking over the economic systems would be SOCIALISM from SPACE? Also: God will be very mad that they are worshiping a bronze idol here, since his second commandment PROHIBITS THAT, duh?"

    Jesus People Pray That False Idol Will Save God’s Economy
     
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    if that's what's happening, I agree with you
     
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    if there is a god, who cares at all about humans, it's got to be angry about the look both those guys are sporting
     
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    I, too, can see banning the gathering in the street to pray - not because it is a religious custom but because it could certainly be a threat to other's mobility.

    However, to ban the wearing of religious garb such as burkas, tallit katans, yarmulkes, a nun's habit, a priest's collar, a crucfix on a neckchain, a bonnet for an Amish woman, or a traditional broad brimmed black hat for an Amish man - how do you square that with this country's "freedom of religion?"

    Would such a law ever be passed here in America it would most likely be passed by the religious right - and then how long do you think it would be before people were forbidden to wear baggy pants or rude tee-shirts or short skirts or thong bikinis?

    In other words, so much for the rights of individuals.
     
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    And then there's this:

    [​IMG]

    Anyone mind banning THAT?
     
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    No you just condescend to people instead. Although you have a point and I apologize. There are several liberals on this board (who shall remain nameless but they know who they are) who really have demonstrated a complete lack of any intellect whatsoever so yes, I'm sure they needed the description.
     
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    Perhaps if you feel that people direct condescending remarks to you it's because you post remarks that may make one question your intelligence. For instance, in your above comment (a personal attack, I might note), you call me condescending and then proceed to make a condescending statement about some of the liberals on this board.
     
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    Congratulations on discovering, albeit in a backwards fashion, that liberals don't care one bit about true freedom of religion. Too bad you're blindly trying to blame the "religious right" for something supported by this forum's leading liberal.
     
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    How is my comment a persona attack? We've been told we can make generic comments about righties or lefties without it being considered personal. I didn't single anyone out, hence there's nothing "personal".

    Oh wait I forgot. Criticize liberals and it's considered a personal attack in your book. Of course, people can say anything they darn well like to about conservatives in here and you won't do a darn thing.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that when you address a comment towards someone specific by including the word, "you" in the sentence that's not generic that's personal.

     
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    How in the world is saying "you condescend" considered an attack?!?

    (Granted, you can't say such things to liberals in here without getting hit with an infraction, but that's besides the point. But don't egg the moderator on, I'm sure he's bakin' up more infractions for conservatives)
     
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    This is funny. Why do you hate muslims Patters? LOL. Clearly this is a ban aimed at muslims. Nothing more, nothing less. Apparently, so long as it's a ban that restricts individual liberty as it relates to religion, some forum members are ok with it. So if we decided that fat people would be banned from the sidewalks in France because of, well, "mobiility", that'd be ok I guess? :confused2: How about the handicaped? Maybe the elderly? People waiting for a bus or cab then?

    This is what they were targeting. Imagine if Pete King from NY proposed such a ban. Patters would be in here screaming intolerance and bigotry. Since it's his beloved France, it's a-ok.

    Islamized Paris 2 - Muslims take over Barbès Boulevard - YouTube
     

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