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  1. Harry Boy

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    yeah......well.....what do you expect?
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    It's nothing but a blatent attempt by dems to shore up their voting bloc for the next few decades - all at the expense of the 53% percent of us moronic enough to actually pay taxes. 4 years from now, that 53% number will be even lower - thanks to Barack Ofailure.

    Like every world power that came before, America's irreversal decline came from forces within.
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    Khrushchev told JFK "if we want to take control of your country we won't have to fire a shot, we will just wait and watch you destroy yourself from within"

    It has started, the Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama is the Big Starting Point in the decline of America As We Knew It.
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    Ironic that it was his Soviet Union died.
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    I know I didn;t even think of that until I read your post.
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    This is crazy.

    I'm all about people driving themselves for financial independency, this is the complete opposite. Its things like this that drive me crazy because this is indeed coming from taxpayers wallets. We already have enough fraud and abuse with the Americans, now we are "promoting" illegal aliens to just "come on over" and sign on up for the entitlements as well?

    This is stupid on another level. Jesus, I cannot state to you how much I detest government.
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    This is what happens when you go from being the land of opportunity to the land of entitlements.
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    Sadly, we have members who fully support this atrocity.

    This may in fact be the saddest news I've read in years regarding our gov't policy.

    If you can't afford to live in your country, don't expect to come here so we can support you....

    a SERIOUS wtf moment in US history!
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    People are being presumptious and the situational outrage is obvious, the only folks are reporting this are the Boston Herald.. so I for one will reserve Judgement until more facts are known.. until then all it breeds is hysteria and knee jerk reactions..

    This is not a new practice, started under the regime of George W.

    Might be wary of a newspaper article based on information from a blog such as The Daily Caller.. further information and corraboration is needed.
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    If true its pretty outrageous, but sitting here and claiming this is something accepted by all non conservatives is pretty silly.

    I actually will soon be working for a medical clinic that signs up people for EBT if they look unfed and unhealthy (basically homeless).

    Will report findings
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    My bet is that initially you will be outraged, and after a while you will become deeply sympathetic over time. My sister works for the Welfare Company in Hennepin County, and I have watch do a 180 in the past couple of years.. now she feels as though she understands poverty.
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    Who cares who started it?....I know I don't.

    The fact that supposedly we tell Mexican nationals that we'll help support them if they come here is outragious in itself. Shame on GWB for authorizing that. But then again, we were in the midst of an economic boom back then.

    Not many were crying about our deficit....man, how times change quickly!
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    I helped feed the homeless for 5 years and I would never do it again. Whenever I see a RI Crossroads ad about the homeless, I can see the absolute lies that are told to gain sympathy.
    80% of the homeless I met (and I met thousands over the years) were either former convicts, drug addicts, or liked to drink. A large majority were men in their 30's or older...very few were married and those homeless families they talk about....I can count the number I met on my right hand.
    Most of the homeless aren't "poor" or disadvantaged, they are lazy, violent, dishonest and selfish.
    I remember when I first started and I noticed that we served considerably less people at the beginning of the month then at the end of the month. I asked why and one of the more grizzled veterans (who I understand better now) told me that they get their checks at the beginning of the month, spend it all on alcohol or drugs, and then come to us for food.
    I also noticed that during the summer time our numbers would drop too. I was informed that during the summer they would take the bus to Newport because they made good money pan handling tourists.

    Poverty would be virtually eliminated in the US if people finished High School, didn't get knocked up before marriage, didn't do drugs, didn't drink excessively, worked a 40 hour a week job (or several part time jobs) and saved some money on a regular basis. Doing all these things would eliminate 95% of the poverty in America.
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    Nothing wrong with Americans helping Americans. That's why we pay taxes. But we don't pay taxes to help support citizens of other nations entering this country illegally or legally.

    Heck, we can't even afford to provide for our own without going over-budget.
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    Wow, pride cometh before the fall...

    I'm glad your perfect! I'm glad you have never done anything wrong or had any problems in life.

    I used to live in a homeless shelter when I was a kid and most of the people I met were good people, just had bad thing happen...Yes, some of them drank, you would too if you went through some of the stuff they did....

    You act like everyone that is poor or homeless is evil, that 80% of them were bad people....I'm glad you think enough of yourself to judge others.....:rolleyes:

    You must first teach a man to fish, before you can blame him for not knowing how, most of these homeless and poor haven't been taught or have the knowledge to better themselves....You act like everyone is the same and that everyone should be more like you......that's not life......not everyone is the same.

    Do I agree with people abusing the system? No... Do I think we can all do a better job and streamline the process? Yes! Quit attacking the poor and start attacking poverty...
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    We are fine PR, raise taxes on the rich, cut the defense by 50% and BAM! No more debt and we can help people!;)

    Its not rocket science....
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    you mean help AMERICANS? Of course....I just don't want our tax dollars being offered to non-citizens dude....who would?
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    One of the things you do not mention in your diatribe is the high incidence of mental illness among the homeless, remember the draconian institutions that the state used to run.. at one time there were thousands of people either living at Ladd or the RIMC.. then they deinstitutionalized. The promise made was that the money that was spent in institutions would follow them to the community, somehow that money got pirated and funneled into other programs..

    Alcoholism and drug addiction is not a matter of self control, but is considered an illness..

    If everyone finished high school and did not get pregnant is a very simple answer to a complicated problem.. there is no quick fix to these issues, but starting with giving people dignity is a good place.

    Here is something you might try, go on a job hunt and tell people how you just got out of prison and need a chance, see how quickly you get hired..

    As far as panhandling in Newport goes, not sure they allow it.. have never seen it, the reason that the shelters have less demand in the summer is that it is more comfortable to sleep outside or in other places..

    If you hear something, does not mean it is true..
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    If they pay taxes, they should be able to collect help when they need it....
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    Do you realize this thread is about immigrants getting social welfare as soon as they enter this country?

    FYI....They would not be tax paying immigrants.
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    #87 Jersey

    I was behind a guy the other day in New Bedford ...

    He was arguing that he should be able to use his EBT to buy an energy drink.

    told the cashier it was loaded with nutrition ... :rofl:
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    It won't be long before Queen Elizabeth is trying to sneak into America.

    It won't be long before the bubble blows up, nothing is forever.

    NY City will soon turn into another Bangladesh.

    Dear Norman Rockwell Wherever You Are:
    Norman, you wouldn't know the old place.
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    I saw a commenter mention that this is all part of some Cloward-Piven Strategy. I've never heard of it before so I looked it up.

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    The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in liberal[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[2]

    The two were critical of the public welfare system, and their strategy called for overloading that system to force a different set of policies to address poverty. They stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party, thus forcing it to implement a national solution to poverty. Cloward and Piven wrote that “the ultimate objective of this strategy [would be] to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income...”[2] There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party then-splintered by pluralistic interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national "solution" to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national "solution" to poverty)[citation needed].



    Cloward

    There's more at the link. Interesting strategy. Logically speaking, you could see where the plan could work. Implode the system from within. It's kind of how I see Obamacare. Destroy the current system so that the new systems inevitible failure, leads to the originally desired result. Plausible at least. Although that doesn't mean it's true or anything.
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    We need to go bankrupt asap. A friend told me a woman in line in front of him had 2 EBT cards out and she was trying to figure out which one to pay with.
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    I didn't work in a shelter. I worked to feed the poor, not shelter them.
    Providence doesn't allow pan handling either but it still happens...lol. I know for a fact it happens in Newport because I've heard them talking about "the best spots", etc. on more than one occassion.

    Of course overcoming alcoholism and drug addiction is a matter of self control. I know functioning alcoholics and drug addicts who choose not to drink and who choose not to take drugs.

    Out of the thousands of homeless people I interacted with, a vast majority didn't appear to have any obvious mental illness. Can I diagnose them, obviously not....but I know what I hear and I know what I see. The homeless advocates include drug use and alcohol use as mental illness in their demographics but they never reveal that breakdown in their numbers. It's just another lie told by those who work with the homeless.

    People start with dignity and then they decide to give it away. There is a right way and a wrong way to live our lives and if we make bad choices then we need to deal with the consequences.
    I have far less sympathy for those in the US who have the opportunity to go to school and live the American dream but waste it on drugs or alcohol or promiscuity.
    I would much rather help those who don't have that opportunity through no fault of their own.
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    Can you just IMAGINE if everyone got a guaranteed income! Working would become a choice, not a necessity.

    Fugg that idea RW...seriously would destroy this country. We'd have 35% trying to support 65%....the math would never work. Might as well opt for communism....which both Cloward & Piven clearly were.

    Hey!! Guaranteed paychecks for everyone!:rolleyes:
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    Also consider that by many metrics keeping these 'violent lazy losers' fed keeps them from commuting crime.

    Cheaper to just give them food then paying for prison
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    LMAO... also Ironic that Harry thinks Kruschev thought we'd "destroy ourselves from within" by too much attention to the needs of the poor.

    THINK Harry THINK.

    PFnV

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