Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Laurence Maroney's Dreads, Feb 6, 2012.
It was first down.
So you just disregard those bombs to Randy Moss, or the bombs over Polamlu's head in 2004, or the bombs to Bethel Johnson in 2003?
so you basically dont know how to read at all. ok.
Cousin , I have listened to all of this Brady can't throw crap etc from others. And I agree there is a problem in that we have no big outside threat. He can still sling it pretty good. I have to laugh hysterically at Felger saying this Team did not need Moss. Well Felger was wrong then wasn't he! Epic fail on that know it all.
But TB needs to diversify. When Gronk and Welker are 75% of your throws what guys do you cover.....well Gronk and Welker. Giants were Lucky last night with two fumbles, if a no-hurt Gronk gets down the middle, the throw is not intercepted for TB and probably a TD. Welker missing a wide open catch with 4:00 left. But we do not have that one big WR on the outside to take the pressure off the TE's and Welker.
Branch is a 4th or 5th guy. He was awful yesterday. Do we need to waste a WR roster space? We keep lining him up as a #2 guy and he is not.
I have analyzed the Ochocinco situation for myself and it was not the kid. If Tom does not want to throw it to you, he won't. I have seen him open and TB shoots elsewhere. In the end it was a little bit of TB's fault that he could not work harder getting Ocho into some kind of rhythm. Let's get rid of him if you are not going to want to throw to him. Ocho was brought in here to be Moss we all thought. Not fair. Let's just get rid of him because TB refuses to use him. I see him open. Yes he is open. Play book? Baloney. Why waste roster space on him?
Underwood? I don't think so.
We do not need a smurf WR like a Jackson. I think you can get a Reggie Wayne for reasonable. Would Wayne have helped yesterday? He would if he can get TB's attention like Chad could not.
Bowie would be good but expensive. I am thinking Wayne and then do what you need to do to get Jeffery in the draft. He can dominate a game at 6'4" and has speed and hands. Then add Wayne as your #2 behind Welker.
Mario would be great but that won't happen. I said Carriker a couple years ago but the so called elite here, giggled. Look at his Washington numbers. 34 tackles and 5.5 sacks on a mediocre Team. The numbers are better than many we praise here on the Pats. He had as many tackles and sacks as Deaderick, Ellis and Warren all together. He would be a nice young add who can play DT and DE. I guess he is not that bad huh? Deaderick and Brace are mediocre. Pryor is hurt every year. Ellis is gone. Warren is a stop gap and not any younger.
Finnegan is tough. We need tough. You won't get RFA Webb and Rodgers will be too much. You pry Adrian Wilson from the Cards as he could be a CAP casualty at a $6.5 mm for sure as is Reggie Wayne, and he a Finnegan make the back end tougher. Wilson was rated the second best coverage TE in the league last year. He has got size where as McCourty is very slim even at FS and certainly and up grade over Ihedigbo who actually has played decent. Barrett seem like a non-issue in 2012.
My best thoughts for the Pats are some FA and some Draft if he quits screwing around with 18 undrafted FA on his roster. Great job coaching? Yes. but if these guys were not Drafted, the talent in front of them that we missed because of our infamous down trading must be outstanding and yet undercoached. Why bother drafting? Just give up the picks and dig into UDFA's. Our down trades have worked approx. less than 20% of the time. We hover at 22% draft choice success in the last six years. That equates to 2 picks per year that made it and of those a handful are long term players. We have all seen the talent that BB has passed. 9 picks in over 20 selections is mediocre (3 TBD). Bill, put your balls on the line and make some picks. Mayo worked well as did Solder.
My preference to add experience and toughness:
These above should all be had reasonably unlike a Mario or a De Sean Jackson.
Then Draft with all of your bullets instead of the down trades that have been minimal success at best.
Ashton Jefferies WR at #31 Uses strength and quickness to beat the press β Makes some incredible catches, unreal hands β Adept at bringing hands up late and making the catch β Uses his body very well to box out defenders β Very tough to bring down after the catch
Melvin Ingram DE/OLB at #27 (same size as A. Thomas was and James Harrison is and bigger than Robert Mathis). Team Captain. Excellent leaping ability β Sudden laterally and shows a nice first step β Has a variety of rush moves, conversion from speed to power catches linemen off-guard β Plays a lot of different positions, could play 3-4 OLB, but has played some 4-3 DE and 4-3 DT β Looks comfortable dropping back into coverage, also able to redirect TEβs at the line β Driven to perform and produce β Team captain. Can play both OLB and DE.
Vinny Curry DE at #49. Team Captain. Great motor. Nice size, with sub 4.8 speed β Sudden pass-rusher, uses a good bull rush, conversion rush, and a decent swim move β Uses his hands very well β Recognizes blocking schemes quickly β Very productive, applies consistent pressure on quarterbacks β Closes quickly when he gets a run at the QB β Good motor, doesnβt quit on plays and pursues well β Adept at getting to the ball (6 FF, 2 blocked kicks so far in 2011) β Plays 4-3 DE, but has the skill-set to transition to a rush OLB
and the shocker.......... Coby Freener at our #63 TE at 6'6" 254lbs and can catch like our other two, just think of he, Gronk and Hernandez running free. Excellent size/strength/speed combination β Catches balls in traffic very well β Works the seam like an NFL pro, very adept with his little fakes β Very good in and out of his breaks, gains separation from safeties/linebackers with ease β Rarely gets jammed off the line, uses his hands well β Plucks the ball with his hands β Looks like a prototypical βFβ tight end, but can block a bit as well β Shows the necessary skills to be an effective pass and/or run blocker.
Later on you might steal OK WR Broyles who was injured or Crick who was injured.
Now lets get back and try this SB again.
Marcus pollard dunno if he's a free agent but this dude has hurt this team bad. Brady in 08 welker in 09 and now gronk in 11. Lock him up.
Here is a list of the free agents ranked by position.
WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Free Agents
some will be signed with their own team and some will be tagged. But this gives you an idea of who might me available. Try to be realistic knowing the cap space. I expect Chad to be added to that list.
This is how its going to be next season (IMO)
I'd love to see Reggie Wayne. The question is, does he want to return to the Colts or go elsewhere.
I can count on one hand the nice deep balls he has thrown in his career, outside of Moss. I'm not sure how much credit I can give to the quarterback when you can throw it up anywhere within 10 yards of where Randy is (in front or behind) and he will go get the ball. Tom can make a nice accruate throw of about 35-40 yards when he has the pocket to step up and really drive it downfield (see Branch's catch in the 2004 AFCCG or in this year's divisional playoff). All I'm saying is he is not a great touch passer, and then hurts him when laying a ball up on a fade or on a deep route when he can't fully step into the throw. Drew had much better touch in that regard, although in almost all other areas he is inferior.
No thank you to Wayne. No need to replicate the Ochocinco experiment.
We need to swap Branches. Deion for Tyvon please. No way the Raiders let Branch walk but a man can dream.
Dwayne Bowe would look amazing in a Pats uniform.
In no particular order:
Marques Colston, WR, Saints
Jacob Tamme, H-Back, Colts
Peyton Hillis, RB, Browns
Dwayne Bowe, WR, Chiefs
Calais Campbell, DE/DT, Cardinals
Carlos Rogers, CB, 49ers
Terrell Thomas, CB, Giants
Wesley Woodyard, OLB, Broncos
I'll take anyone who is actually going to, you know, make the team and play.
The only thing I like about Cortland Finnegan is the video of Andre Johnson kicking the crap out of him while he turtles.
Not sure who I want on defense but having Antwan Molden as a Corner in a Super Bowl and Edelman playing in a few games because there is no one better on the roster is downright laughable,Molden couldn't cover a receiver consistently to save his life.
The secondary has been a joke around the league for a few years...its time to totally rebuild back there with Chung and Arrington as the foundation and even those two are good at times and not so good other times.....I hope I am wrong,but McCourty may well be a one year wonder.
There is lots of work to do on defense outside of Mayo,Wilfork,Arrington,Spikes and Chung ...re-signing Carter and Anderson at their ages is not a gimme either.
The Pats are healthy in cap room, probably close to 26-28 million going into next month.
Belichick is a student of the game and he knows what he needs to do to maximize trends and stay above water in off-season moves-- escpecially with this roster.
I fully expect him to "back up the Brink truck", as he would say, to pull in Mario Williams...The guy is a freak and will almost certainly be available based on the Texans cap structure and emergence of young players.
Williams looked fluid as a standup linebacker in the 3-4 dropping into coverage and bending the edge at 6'6 280 pounds, and 27 years old and we already know he's a great 4-3 end-- versatile, once every ten year freak with a good work ethic...Yeah, BB isn't going to pass that up.
I would hope that Marques Colston or Dwayne Bowe but that may be wishful thinking. I'll take Reggie Wayne or Brandon Lloyd for reasonable cost and draft Mohamed Sanu, or Alshon Jeffery.
I think the running game will be fine with Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley and Danny Woodhead.
I'll take Brent Grimes or Brandon Carr at CB if they become available...
But if we get Williams and sign Lloyd/Wayne...I'll be happy with us going into the draft.
As far as our own players, retain Connolly, Welker, Anderson, and Branch.
I would retain the following players currently on the New England Patriots roster:
Dan Connolly, Wes Welker, Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis
I would sign the following unrestricted free agents:
Brandon Lloyd, WR
WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Free Agents - Wide Receivers
Richard Marshall, CB/FS
WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Free Agents - Cornerbacks
I would select a 3-4 outside linebacker and a 3-4 defensive end in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft.
2012 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
I'm neutral on this. Pro? Cons?
Calais Campbell and resign our own Carter and Anderson.
Marques Colston would fit great here and gives us 3 tall receivers.
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