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  1. Laurence Maroney's Dreads

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    Saw this thread on another site (SoSH), and thought it would be a good idea here.

    I realize that the pain is still super fresh for all of us, but what better way to talk about how we can get back to the show next year and win it? The re-tooling of the roster starts now. Who do you want?
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    Brandon Lloyd.

    Any other help needed can be got through the draft/players returning off IR. I would also like to a see a change in defensive philosophy and have more attacking players on the DL who get into the backfield on a regular basis, give the secondary some help by actually creating consistent pressure.

    Re-signing Anderson & Carter is a must.
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    - Brandon Lloyd, but only if Brady can reliably hit the deep ball in 2012, i dont know if he can anymore.
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    These kind of players just dont grow on trees. BB has never shown a move to pressure Defense, and he aint changing now.

    As for FA, they've got many decisions....Welker, BJGE, Connolly, Koppen, Carrter et al...Draft is again crapshoot, and he will again trade bunch more picks for future and draft more to be IR'd DB's.

    Sorry, but I just don't see this team setup for another run. We will do well in regular season once again because AFC sucks all in all, but they've been flawed in playoffs ever since they decided to make Brady the focal point in 2006 season. That was compounded by one pathetic draft after another, and lousy FA decisions.

    We won when and how ? When we had a good defense, played smart ball control ball with Corey, even with bunch of no names for WR or TE

    We are the NE Colts now.......all stats in regular season, and garbage in playoffs
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    Cortland Finnegan.

    And get rid of Arrington and Molden somehow if any teams are dumb enough to want them....
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    Arrington? The dude has been arguably the most reliable CB for us since 2010. No way in hell.

    I'd definately love Lloyd depending on the price. The guy can make plays and if his record with Josh McDaniels is any indication then i'm all for him.
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    Someone to replace Ihedigbo and Ohco Cinco.
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    You made me LOL twice in one (ish) sentence.
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    Dream scenario, Super Mario. Like Big-T, I would like to see a more attacking defensive scheme, as well as utilize press man coverage to better defend against pass oriented offenses. Something like the attacking 4-3 we saw early in the pre-season that got us all excited.
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    Your deep ball point....I wonder that too. As far as roster building....Just find a WR that safeties have to worry about. Branch and Ocho are not NFL starters.
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    Brady is one of the most inaccurate long ball throwers in the league. In fact, Brady has a limited repetoire of throws. There is the 15-20 yard seam. The 10 yard out, and various short routes over the middle. He does not throw a good deep ball, a good fade, or any other kind of pass that requires a lot of touch. What he can throw, he has tremendous accuracy with, but he is limited in some respects.
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    Look at Brady's Recent Deep passes, all of them are weak, dying quail inaccurate. The Slater pass/interception in the AFCCG and the deep interception to Gronk in the SB are great examples of this, Brady has lost power and accuracy and if he cant reliably deliver them next year it wont matter who you bring in here, good defenses wont need to put safety help on deep threat WRs because any corner in the league can make a play on those balls.
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    At most, Belichick probably has one high profile signing and a bunch of veteran, complimentary, situational players. A vertical threat and a corner are the two ideal targets. I don't think we'll have room for both, assuming we re-sign/franchise Welker, Carter, Anderson, etc etc.

    I like the idea of Lloyd and Finnegan. A name I haven't seen thrown out enough though is someone like Robert Mathis. Indy is probably in full rebuild mode, so Mathis probably isn't going to be re-signed. Still might be out of our price range. He's still pretty damn good, and has a big name.
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    Finnegan is a knucklehead.
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    Cortland Finnegan? Am I taking crazy pills? That guy is an idiot and would be the exact opposite of what the young D needs.
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    Having given this deep ball issue 4 minutes of thought.....who on the current roster is the deep ball threat. I don't see one. Who on the roster has the size to effectively work the sidelines. I don't see one. When this season opened up, Brady was chucking it all over the field, 20-30 yarders with amazing accuracy, because the early season D's weren't ready yet. The deep ball is so low percentage that Brady and BB have taken it off the table. Give Brady a deep leaper and things will improve
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    Most of the stuff he has available are over the middle and those are all based on accuracy and timing.

    Hard to judge his deep ball when we throw it deep like 10 plays all year and i'll give you that he has been off when they have tried it but it's not like he has a legit target out there to feel confident about.

    Rodgers has multiple guys that can flat out beat their man. Same goes for Eli,Rapistburger,Brees,Romo,Stafford

    We just don't have that big play target. It's either Wes,Gronk,AH YAC.
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    Just posted it in a similar "team needs" type thread but the guy to target is Mario Williams. Turned 27 years old a week ago, has the versatility to play in the 4-3 or 3-4 and is exactly the kind of defensive difference maker that we lack. Vince and Mayo are damn good football players but it's difficult at their positions to influence the game as much as a guy like JPP or Tuck or Mario Williams can in a league that has become extremely pass happy. Considering how young he is, it's rare to have a guy like this become a FA. Usually guys this talented hit FA at 30 like Peppers, Nnamdi and Adalius.

    At 27, he's probably got another 4-5 elite years which matches up with the Brady (and possibly Belichick?) window.
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    The pass to Slater was a bad throw. That's one. Brady got nailed and couldn't follow through on the pass to Gronk. So, if your argument is that Brady is less accurate when getting hit simulataneously, I would agree. That INT wasn't even a huge deal in the game because if that falls incomplete, we probably punt after a 3rd and long. We would have been lucky to see Mesko place that ball quite as deep. God forbid we expect our defense to not give up 3 first downs before we even think about making a stop.

    How about the Branch throw against Denver, the Hernandez throw against Buffalo, and the Ocho throw in Denver? Or are we counting those as intermediate passes? Welker vs. Jets?

    The Brandon Lloyd obsession is out of hand. He has one pretty good season after being a mediocre malcontent, and then he's traded for a 5th round pick. Is Chad Jackson available?
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    Have you given much thought as to why the roster doesn't have a deep threat? its a YAC centric offense now because Brady isnt as powerful or as accurate. hes still a great player.

    OchoCinco came in here and he wasn't going to be a deep threat either, he could run routes and fill in here and there, but he just didnt understand the offense, branch understood the offense and has a kind of mindmeld with Brady, so thats why he played more.
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    well....it is obvious this team need WR's.....but then again, this team has needed OLB's for 5 years now and who do they have?

    looking at how brady has progressed (or regressed) as a QB, I would say they need to get the best C on the market and the best RG (assuming waters retires)...brady needs to be able to work in a petri dish, so protecting him is job 1 or else he will go the way of bledsoe.

    we have a team that is very good at beating mediocre teams but struggled in every game against a good team. this team needs alot
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    No way do the Texans let him sniff free agency, but he would be epic. We'd see the Elephant role make a comeback. Our real issue is the lack of playmakers on defense. Mario Williams, or Mario Williams' left pinky toe, would change a lot of things in the trenches. We saw Vince get doubled all night long and Brandon Spikes was the only one who could consistently win his 1v1 matchup.
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    Media reports are that there's a pretty good chance he hits the market. I've seen conflicting reports, but word is it will cost them either $16M or $22M to franchise him. If it's $22M, forget about it. $16M, I tend to doubt that as well considering they will be sending Brooks Reed to the bench, as well as eating up all that salary.

    Typically you'd say exactly what you did: no way do the Texans let him hit the market. But they may not have much of a choice, which makes this a rare opportunity and one I hope the Pats jump all over.

    The rest of the holes (WR, C, DB) can be filled through the draft.
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    I was going to post a thread about the offseason, but I will just post it here

    Does anoyne else REALLY love of the offseason now, almost like its another sport all together? WIth twitter, and all things internet, its really awesome to follow.
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    I dont know why it is so difficult to accept that Brady may have lost power or accuracy, hes 34 now, i think the coaches know what they can get out of brady, they see him in practice all the time, this year you rarely see Brady throw a pass greater than 20 yards.

    on NFL network before the Superbowl they were breaking down Tom's passes over 20 yards through the season and you could see him missing wide open guys, or throwing interceptions because it wasent powerful enough.

    if your arguement is that Brady is just fine and can still throw the ball as well as he did in 2007 there is plenty of evidence against that, this year and the last.

    I could see Brady having a really rough year in 2012 and i think the offense needs to focus on building the run game, not the pass game. so i say dump OC, draft a WR in the second round and bring back branch, then get a good center and start running the ball with Ridley and possibly Vereen.
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    We've got to upgrade at WR. I'd like to see Branch back, but we need a big guy who can stretch the field. Lloyd seems reasonable. I'd still like to look at DeSean Jackson (who is a free agent). I realize he was a headcase all of this year, but I think if he's on a winning team and gets paid, he'd behave. He's probably out of our price range though, so someone like Lloyd looks a lot more realistic.

    We absolutely must add at least one CB and one S. Don't forget we'll be getting Dowling back next year. Moore seems to have played well enough to merit a roster spot. Arrington is legit. Ihedigbo is a backup at best. Chung is above average.

    I'd like to see Carter and Anderson back. I have a feeling only one of the two will be, but both would be ideal. I think our d-line played pretty well down the stretch. Warren is probably gone and will need to be replaced. Linebackers could definitely be upgraded for depth. I think we can all be pleased with the trio of Ninkovich, Spikes and Mayo. But after that, I think it falls off hard.

    We look great at OT, although Light won't be around forever. I'm not sure how long Waters' contract runs, but he's been great this year. It'll be interesting to see what we do with Koppen.

    Curious about BJGE. Many of us predicted he might have a big game last night, but it was obvious that Belichick preferred the smaller, quicker Woodhead against the Giants. I'm not even sure if Ridley played at all? That being said, he's still never fumbled and is a solid RB. Probably depends on his price tag.

    Mario Williams is a dream target. I'd give it about a 1% chance of happening, but he would be a very exciting addition.
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    Two words - - NO CHANCE

    Pats don't play like that. BB mentality is better to add 3-4 guys @ 3-4Mill than 1 for 16mill....Carter and Anderson prime examples.
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    Some people here think Brady walks on water. Fact is, he has NEVER thrown the deep ball well and he is just not a good touch passer. He is at is best rifling the ball between 5 and 20 yards down field. He is probably the most accurate passer in this area in the NFL, and he does it with great velocity, but he can't throw a fade, and he can't throw a deep ball with touch. Nobody is perfect.
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    I see our most glaring need in FA as the return game. I don't know who's available but I'd like to see us bring in somebody who can actually return a kickoff past the 30 once in awhile. It was absolutely brutal this year watching Woodhead and Edelman indecisively trot out to the 15-20 MAYBE 25 yard line before getting tackled by the first person that touches them. We put such a high emphasis on ball control and field position yet we have nobody who can bring the ball out of the end zone on a kickoff and make a game-changing play. I thought we were due at some point last night, but it was simply a lack of talent back there, not a question of being due.

    I like the direction the D is heading, though we do need an upgrade at safety, assuming McCourty actually plays corner next year. Ihedigbo is a great story but he's really no more than a backup at this point. Hopefully Dowling can play and Sterling Moore can keep it up. Kid's been a stud. I like McCourty, Arrington, Moore and Dowling as our stable of corners. All young and assumedly getting better with more experience. Spikes and Mayo are gonna be a sick combo in the middle for the near future. Wilfork is a beast and I like what I see out of Love and Deaderick. If we could bring in Mathis I'd be all for it, but our D line is solid. A few tweaks and I see our D being championship quality. We're close as it is. Doesn't seem like it but they gave up 10, 20 and 19 in the playoffs this year. That's usually good enough.

    On offense I'd like to see us let Faulk, Ocho and Branch go. I like BJGE but I'm sure we'll be outbid for him. Feature Ridley next year and see what kind of player Vereen is. Either sign or Franchise Welker. I puked in my mouth last night when he dropped that ball, but let's not get crazy, he's one of the best players the Pats have had since this run began and he's absolutely integral in getting back to the Super Bowl in the next few years. Bring in Brandon Lloyd if possible. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Lloyd than trying to address the WR issue in the draft.

    Last night was a tough one to swallow but we're in a great spot right now. We have some cap flexibility, a ton of youth that seems to be progressing and Tom still has a few more elite years ahead of him. Nail a couple of our draft picks this year, bring in a player or two on each side of the ball and we're golden.
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    i don't think it's going to make much of a difference. once you lose a super bowl, for whatever reason it takes teams a while to get back. after 07', it took the pats 4 years to get back. when was the last time a team went back to the super bowl after losing it? buffalo bills - 4 times.

    i honestly think this was the last shot that the pats had of getting a 4th super bowl. by the time this team figures it out, Brady will be close to 40 and BB is going to retire. Super bowl defeats are crushing. It's not a matter of simply signing a few guys and fix some problem areas. Injuries are going to happen. players are going to leave via free agency. the mental pscyhe of this team is low right now and i can't see them getting their swagger back any time soon.
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