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  1. mgteich

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    I would hope that the DL and WR decisions will be made before the draft. Also, there is the issue of whether we will be successful in securing an RFA; this doesn't happen often. This is truly collusion by the owners (not technically but certainly in practice).

    DL
    Will we get Abraham, Sweeney or neither?

    WR
    Will we get Edelman and/or Lloyd or someone else?

    It must frustrating for Lloyd and Edelman to be listed as the best WR's out there, and yet they get little interest. Mayock thinks that it is likely that Lloyd will be back. I'm sure there will also be some JAG signings. another Jenkins or two or three.

    OG
    IMHO, we are still one player short. Personally, I would like to sign Brandon Moore, who is ranked much better as a RG than Connolly. Moore wouldn't be expensive. Even cheaper would be an equivalent of Svitek. We do need to sign a couple. After all, we almost always lose one OL in camp due to retirement or simply not showing up (like last year).

    LB
    A coverage linebacker is possible, although Belichick may think that between Fletcher and Wilson he has that role covered.

    RB
    It is not clear to me that Belichick won't sign a veteran as a backup and for short yardage (as an upgrade to Bolden). I've been here before with Green-Ellis, so perhaps I am making the same mistake again. I would consider almost any short-yardage vet an upgrade.
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    The Pats have shown interest in Lattimore. He should be available Day 2. If his knee holds up, he'd be a steal. He and Ridley would be a two headed monster out of the backfield.
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    True enough, but I never count on individual players, especially after Round 1. Unless there are 3 RB's that we want projected to be picked around where we pick, I have little confidence of getting one.

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    For the purpose of depth I wouldn't mind taking a look at Matt Toeaina who the Bears just released. He has been a solid in the past.
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    sorry,brain fart. I mean A. Wilson.

    will fix

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    I would really like to see the Pats get Abraham for 1yr 2.5 million as a situational passrush, then resign edelman, and possibly kick the tires on Charles Woodson???
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    I'm not sure a 3rd RB is really a great pick given the needs of the team and the draft picks at hand. I do like Lattimore and wouldn't be displeased if they used the 3rd to take him, but there are more pressing needs.
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    Understand that we are likely to try to trade down with both our 1st and 2nd.

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    Try is the operative word. That said I agree with possibly trying to trade the 1st but our 2nd is so low that you're saying the draft is REALLY deep. I'd like to use our 3rd to trade up in the 2nd.
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    I doubt that the Pats trade down - the cost of late first and second rounders are a genuine value for three years. Draft picks are worth more than ever, particularly for a team like the Pats that does not have to rely on rookies to carry the team - rookies have time to develop and learn from veterans who understand how things work around Foxboro.

    The Patriots tend to pick OL (including tight ends) or DL with their first pick in the draft, unless there is a glaring need. This year, there really is no glaring need. It's really pretty exciting this year. Every position group is solid to very good. Wide receiver is the one question mark, and if they re-sign Lloyd, they have a solid group of veterans - not great, but competent.

    Since there is a need for a competent backup on both lines, I suspect they go OL and DL in rounds #1 and #2. Probably in that order. The depth in this draft at OL and DL is not that great - it never really is.

    That suggests to me that they sign a couple of receivers (Lloyd and Edelman still make sense) and some JAGs over the next couple of months. I just wonder if there is one big move coming on offense - a reclamation project along the lines of Moss or Corey Dillon. I don't know who that might be, but it just feels like Belichick will make a headline grabbing move in the next few weeks.
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    I did day "try". I do not think that it is automatic at all. As always, it may depend on the quarterbacks available.

    I understand your idea of drafting 2 good men and going home (our 1st and trading up in the 2nd). Understand that if we get a 2nd and 3rd for our first, we could likely trade our 3rds for a second and have 3 seconds, three good men.

    I do think that there is value through the 3rd and expect us to make four picks in the first 3 rounds; one of which might be for an RFA, or not.

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    I think they will make this trade, #29, Mallet to Browns for #6 and #68. They will then take Dion Jordan at 6 which is why they scheduled the visit.
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    Not where I was going. Down in the 1st gives us 2 picks plus our 2nd & 3rd. Use our 3rd to go up with our 2nd. That's 3 good players not 2.
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    what are the chances we start using 3 safety sets with wilson replacing a LB and devin playing FS with another guy? (either on the roster or incoming)

    might be a potent personnel set for passing situations
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    Its unlikely, but holy **** I like it!!

    Wouldn't mind trading down the 6th pick and get Patterson/Austin.
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    I think it's highly likely that in certain sub packages the LB will be Mayo and A Wilson with McCourty and T Wilson playing safety. I'd actually say its definite.
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    Basically you pick up 23 spots in the 1st and a 3rd rounder for Mallet it's a good deal for both sides IMO especially if Lombardi is as high on Mallet as suggested.
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    I would be shocked, totally wrong in my estimation of Mallet's worth, and pleased as hell were this or something close to it to happen. I'd trade down from the 6th if somebody's willing.
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    No way is Mallett worth that.
    The Patriots would have to include AT LEAST next years 1 and their own 3 along with their 1 to get up to 6 as well as getting the 3rd.
    Mallett is not even close to worth a 2014 1st and a 2013 3rd. Hell he isn't even worth a 2013 3rd.
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    IMO it's really just moving 23 slots in the 1st round and a 3rd rounder for a potential franchise QB. If you're Cleveland and you end the first round with Ryan Mallet as a your QB of the future and then a nice TE like Tyler Eifert at #29 to go with Gordon at WR and Richardson at RB I think you had a great round.
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    Your a fool if you think it would take Mallet, 2 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder to get the 6th overall pick in the draft. This very well could be the dumbest post I've ever read in my entire life.

    Are you f-ing serious?
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    That's the problem. 23 spots isn't something to be taken lightly. It's a big gap.
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    It is and I'm not saying its likely but I would not say its never going to happen. Michael Lombardi was high on him during the draft year and he also could gather details from his son Mick Lombardi who was on our staff last year. If Mick say good things about his development and Lombardi graded him as the top QB in 2011's draft which was stronger than this QB class 23 slots in the 1st round and a 3rd isn't bad.
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    Sadly, you have defined your own post and position.

    1) Andy said that it would take 2 firsts (this year's next' s) and this year's third to get #6 and #68. I strongly disagree. That is nowhere near enough.

    2) Andy said that Mallett is not worth next year's first and a third. I agree. Perhaps you do not.

    3) You have absolutely no clue with regard to the value of draft choices. For example, all our 2013 draft choices are not enough to give sufficient value for #6. That is why andy keeps mentioning next year's first.

    4) There are tables of draft position values that we and teams have used for a decade. The tables may need revision, since the early draft choices are now worth much more under a rookie cap.

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    At this point I don't think I'd mind a signing like Woodson for depth, but that will depend heavily on Belichick's plans for the draft too. One would certainly think that we could have a somewhat solid addition for depth in the secondary for a reasonable price, but Belichick may argue that it'd be a waste of roster spots and financial resources due to having at least 4 CB starters at the moment for 2 positions + a pretty much set safety grouping.

    I would highly doubt that Abraham would sign for a measly 2.5 million or we'd probably already have him, especially after Freeny is throwing numbers of 6 million out there. We may end up passing on both of them in the long run.

    Julian Edelman is anyone's guess at this point...
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    This is something to always keep in mind.

    Last year alone we saw WAS give up 3 first round picks and 1 second rounder to move up TWO spots in the draft from #4 to #2.

    At the other end of the spectrum we saw DAL move all the way up from #13 to as high as #6 to take Morris Claiborne by only having to part with their second round pick, which is much more reasonable.
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    I'm still stunned to be seeing so many comments about people still expecting to get a high draft pick for Ryan Mallett. It's mind boggling to me. Where were all of these eternal optimist posters at, when 95% of the board freaked out when he was selected?

    I just can't see anything he's done to warrant anything more than a 4th round pick at best. He's still too much of an unknown for any GM to give up that kind of pick. If those kinds of high picks were thrown around we'd see a ton of NFL trades every year.
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