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  1. MrBigglesWorth

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    have they signed? I haven't seen anything to indicate they have. I wonder what the long wait is other than maybe their teams trying to negotiate a long term contract. I do wonder if the Pats rushed too quickly with Cassel.

    Isn't Carolina holding themselves up?
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    I think the players that have not signed, such as Suggs and Peppers, are using that as leverage in negotiations as they seek a long-term contract.

    I don't believe the Pats rushed with Cassel, because the Pats and Cassel were not going to sign a contract this year. He needed to be franchised so the Pats could proceed with finding a trade partner.

    Carolina may be holding themselves up, but it's all part of negotiations. Should they simply sign Peppers to whatever he wants just for the sake of getting him signed quickly?


    FRANCHISE TAGS
    ATLANTA
    - P Michael Koenen ($2.483 M) - signed franchise tender
    ARIZONA - LB Karlos Dansby ($9.678 M)
    BALTIMORE - LB Terrell Suggs ($10.2 M)
    CAROLINA - DE Julius Peppers ($16.683 M)
    CINCINNATI - K Shayne Graham ($2.483 M)
    HOUSTON - CB Dunta Robinson ($9.957 M)
    NEW ENGLAND - QB Matt Cassel ($14.65 M) -signed franchise tender; traded
    NEW YORK GIANTS - RB Brandon Jacobs ($6.62 M) - re-signed to new contract
    PITTSBURGH - OT Max Starks ($8.451 M) - signed franchise tender
    SAN DIEGO -RB Darren Sproles ($6.621 M)
    SEATTLE - LB Leroy Hill ($8.304 M)
    ST. LOUIS - S O.J. Atogwe ($6.342 M)
    TAMPA BAY - WR Antonio Bryant ($9.88 M)
    TENNESSEE - TE Bo Scaife ($4.46 M)
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    I am looking it at Peppers situation. If he signs then Carolina must do something because the money is guaranteed. It puts pressure on Carolina. So I wonder from a players point of view like Pepper since they are up against the cap why he doesn't just sign.

    Now Suggs which I believe baltimore has a little more cap space he is using his not signing as leverage

    I just find the timetable very strange. I guess guaranteed salaries are not wanted and maybe players are looking to the uncapped year as a big payday
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    I'm fairly certain that in regards to the cap and Carolina, Peppers signing the franchise tender is irrelevant. Once Carolina franchised him, the amount of the franchise tender counts against their cap. It only changes if the player is traded or signs a new contract with the team.

    From a players standpoint, not signing means he's not locked in to that one year deal. It also means he can avoid fines for not attending mandatory workouts and training camp. If a player is looking for more guaranteed money that comes with a big signing bonus and a long term deal, or a trade (as is Peppers case) they may believe the best tactic is to not sign the franchise tender.
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    Not signing technically allows the player and his agent to work out contract ideas and options with other teams without causing any issues like tampering.
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    You are correct. Carolina took the cap hit for Peppers as soon as they put the franchise tag on him. Whether or not he signs the tender is irrelevant.

    Given that Peppers has publicly said he doesn't want ot play for Carolina, not signing the tender allows Peppers to retain some control over his situation. Carolina can't negotiate a trade - everything has to go through Peppers' agent. And he can keep Carolina in limbo at a huge price, knowing that at the worst he is guaranteed an enormous one year salary. Not too bad a deal.
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    Thats incorrect. He isn't guaranteed anything until the tender is signed, and turned in to the NFL. The panthers can revoke the tag any time before he turns it in, and he walks.
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    You are correct about Carolina being able to revoke the franchise tag designation if Peppers hasn't signed the tender. But if you are Julius Peppers, the Panthers revoking the tag and making you a FA is what you requested in the first place - that would essentially be Peppers' "win" scenario". Peppers as a FA would clearly get plenty of money from someone, so there's no real risk involved.
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    This article summarizes the Suggs situation in Baltimore nicely.

    Baltimore Ravens News - RAVENS SALARY CAP UPDATE

    The Ravens are tight against the cap, about 1.5M under. If they can extend Suggs, they can create more cap space. And Suggs has yet to sign the tender. I don't see any way that they can afford Boldin right now even if they wanted him.

    Considering the Raven's draft, they still have a huge need at WR. So stay tuned to see how they take care of that.
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:2/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:bal
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    After reading that article, i think we should offer the two 2's(next years extra picks) for Suggs. The Ravens can then turnaround and give their 1st, and 3rd to Arizona for Boldin. Everybodys happy :D

    I know the Peppers fan club wont like this, but I would personally prefer we go after Suggs. Atleast he's been productive at OLB. Peppers? who knows.
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