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  1. Real World

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    This is how I tend to feel. The planet is warming, sure, but I don't buy all the doomsday rhetoric. Niether does this guy.


    By John Coleman

    It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

    Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.

    I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, ie Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you “believe in.” It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

    I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

    In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.


    http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/
     
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    Peak Oil, anyone? whether global warming is true or not, Peak Oil will be here long before we need to worry about a higher SPF...

    even tricky Dick Cheney agrees Peak Oil is real...

    as for global warming, the naysayers are the extreme minority... and i'd prefer to err on the side of caution... i know republicans hate to fathom a change in their luxurious lifestyle and higher taxes, but fossil fuels and our gluttonous consumption of it will be changing their perspectives soon enough if we don't develop alternative fuel sources immediately...
     
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    These are one of these wait and see arguments, as for me something is happening here and all over the world.. the weather is different, although that is anecdotal in the next 10 years there will be enough evidence.
     
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    There are two kinds of skeptics: a relatively small number true scientists who object to specific aspects of the evidence, and people like Coleman who provide empty politic rhetoric without facts. The sceintists are far more interesting, but the preponderance of evidence supports the human contribution to global warming. How quickly bad things will happen is a legitimate matter of debate, but when millions of lives are at stake it's better to err on the side of caution. If we do that we risk a healthier environment. There is no rational reason to oppose doing all we can to keep our air, water, and land healthier, except pure greed or political partisanship.
     
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    The Coo Coo Ding Dongs, Hollywood, Rosie and The NY Times will now try to turn this guy into a Neo Con pervet who has sex with a weather balloon, they will also accuse him of attending The Cheney Family Cookouts.
    :bricks:
     
  6. Real World

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    The more I learn about this, and hear the propoganda coming out of people's mouths, the more I realize the man made doomsday stuff is a farce. I think people know the cycle is going to revert soon, and that's why they keep harping on the 10 years or less stuff. It's as if people want us to make these drastic changes ASAP, so they can take credit for normalcy, and also, because if we don't, and things seem normal in a few years, they'll be exposed for what they are. I love how it's a "minority" who doubts. Afterall, Patters did tell us the "debate is over". I never knew there even was one. :D
     
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    Why should I respect that particular weatherman, because he founded the Weather Channel? LOL. Do you want to post something that actually supports your contention that the cycle is going to revert soon, or do you simply look for some blowhard who says something you like and believe it even if he doesn't offer any facts to support his point of view? Gimme a break.
     
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    Why should I, Harry Boy respect that Bellowing Boob Al Gore, because he says "it's hot in August".
    :bricks:
     
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    The environmental movement is nothing more than a mask by parties interested in establishing worldwide socialism. Period.
     
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    I don't think you have to respect Gore. Like the founder of the Weather Channel, Gore is merely part of the marketing campaign to promote awareness. I think the people you should listen to are the scientists, but if you don't want to do that, at least try to collect some facts. Gore provides some; there are websites out there that challenge a handful of his facts; there are skeptics out there who are scientists; and maybe the founder of the Weather Channel has actually written articles that cite facts, I don't know. But, the commentary RW posted is really no different than much of the stuff posted in this forum.
     
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    When people post stuff that shows GW is not man made, all you people do is respond with criticisms of being bunkerites, 30%'ers, or whatever.

    Climate chaos? Don't believe it
    By Christopher Monckton, Sunday Telegraph
    Last Updated: 12:14am GMT 05/11/2006

    Download Christopher Monckton's references and detailed calculations [pdf]

    The Stern report last week predicted dire economic and social effects of unchecked global warming. In what many will see as a highly controversial polemic, Christopher Monckton disputes the 'facts' of this impending apocalypse and accuses the UN and its scientists of distorting the truth


    Biblical droughts, floods, plagues and extinctions?


    Last week, Gordon Brown and his chief economist both said global warming was the worst "market failure" ever. That loaded soundbite suggests that the "climate-change" scare is less about saving the planet than, in Jacques Chirac's chilling phrase, "creating world government". This week and next, I'll reveal how politicians, scientists and bureaucrats contrived a threat of Biblical floods, droughts, plagues, and extinctions worthier of St John the Divine than of science.

    Sir Nicholas Stern's report on the economics of climate change, which was published last week, says that the debate is over. It isn't. There are more greenhouse gases in the air than there were, so the world should warm a bit, but that's as far as the "consensus" goes. After the recent hysteria, you may not find the truth easy to believe. So you can find all my references and detailed calculations here.

    The Royal Society says there's a worldwide scientific consensus. It brands Apocalypse-deniers as paid lackeys of coal and oil corporations. I declare my interest: I once took the taxpayer's shilling and advised Margaret Thatcher, FRS, on scientific scams and scares. Alas, not a red cent from Exxon.

    In 1988, James Hansen, a climatologist, told the US Congress that temperature would rise 0.3C by the end of the century (it rose 0.1C), and that sea level would rise several feet (no, one inch). The UN set up a transnational bureaucracy, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The UK taxpayer unwittingly meets the entire cost of its scientific team, which, in 2001, produced the Third Assessment Report, a Bible-length document presenting apocalyptic conclusions well beyond previous reports.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml


    Wrong problem, wrong solution

    Last Updated: 1:59am GMT 15/11/2006Page 1 of 3

    Readers' responses to Christopher Monckton's first article [PDF]
    Christopher Monckton created considerable controversy last week with his article questioning the science that claims human activity is responsible for climate change. Now he challenges the economic assumptions of the Stern report


    In the climate change debate, one figure is real. The Sunday Telegraph's website registered more than 127,000 hits in response to last week's article revealing that the UN had minimised the sun's role in changing past and present climate, persisted in proven errors and used unsound data, questionable graphs and meretricious maths to exaggerate future warming threefold.

    The views of 200 readers who emailed me are in the link above. About a third are scientists, including well-known climatologists and a physicist who confirmed my calculations. Some advise governments.

    Nearly all condemn the "consensus". Most feel that instead of apologising, the UN has misled them, especially by using the defective "hockey-stick" temperature graph.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/12/nclim12.xml


    Chaotic world of climate truth

    By Mike Hulme
    Director, Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research

    As activists organised by the group Stop Climate Chaos gather in London to demand action, one of Britain's top climate scientists says the language of chaos and catastrophe has got out of hand.


    Climate change is a reality, and science confirms that human activities are heavily implicated in this change.

    But over the last few years a new environmental phenomenon has been constructed in this country - the phenomenon of "catastrophic" climate change.

    It seems that mere "climate change" was not going to be bad enough, and so now it must be "catastrophic" to be worthy of attention.

    The increasing use of this pejorative term - and its bedfellow qualifiers "chaotic", "irreversible", "rapid" - has altered the public discourse around climate change.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6115644.stm


    The deceit behind global warming

    By Christopher Booker and Richard North
    Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 04/11/2007Page 1 of 2


    No one can deny that in recent years the need to "save the planet" from global warming has become one of the most pervasive issues of our time. As Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, claimed in 2004, it poses "a far greater threat to the world than international terrorism", warning that by the end of this century the only habitable continent left will be Antarctica.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/04/eaclimate104.xml
     
  12. Patters

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    We've had many discussions on this and there have been a zillion posts with specific links. Many of those links lead to realclimate.com that has very good info on global warming, from a scientific point of view. But, also Science Magazine and Scientific American, two highly respected publications for the layman, have also had terrific articles on the subject. I'll take a look at your links later on, but thanks for posting them.
     
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    The weather is being modified by the HAARP... do some research on it.

    Pretty scary stuff.

    Oh yeah, and Al Gore is a TOOL.
     
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    Yeah, you better listen to the mass media... they are always in the know.

    Give me a friggin break...
     
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    Thirty years ago the "experts" said we were in for "Global Cooling", a new "Ice Age" was about to hit us. Even then the temps were rising about .3 of a degree, but that "always happens just before a new ice age."

    I never knew that some people have been around that long.


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    I've read science articles on this subject, not the mass media. The mass media creates the illusion that there really is a substantial body of evidence that the human contribution to global warming is a hoax. They do the same thing with Creationism. But, the mass media profits off conflict. If one sides wins, there's no news.
     
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    Albert Boob Gore Doesn't Know How To Ride A Bike
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    Algore="empty politic rhetoric without facts"
     

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