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Former RNC Chair, Haley Barbour, Pardons over 200 including Rapists and murderers

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  1. DarrylS

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    This is strange, Haley Barbour is leaving the Governorship... and on the way out has pardoned over 200 criminals, these ain't the scofflaws, these are some bad dudes...

    Geez the NY Daily News should use spellcheck, it is trustee not trustie.

    So he had 200 Trustees working at the Governor's mansion??? That sounds like a lot..

    Outgoing Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour pardoned nearly 200 people, including convicted murderers  - NY Daily News

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    Always hate it when politicians do this crap. Taking justice away from the victims families is awful.
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    hE'S SUCKING UP TO THE DEMOCRATS
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    On the surface I despise this practice too. I think governors and presidents should have the authority to pardon people, but that it should only be used in the most exceptional of circumstances. I do think there are cases where a pardon is appropriate, but without knowing all 200 here, I'd guess there are a lot of questionable uses of his governors authority.
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    The really sad thing about this story is that it will be news for a day or two and then it will just go away. People are too used to hear about abuses of power.
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    Maybe not.....

    From a CCN Breaking News Email Update

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    #15 Jersey

    Was he pissed because his political career was over? The article mentions that three of the murders were "grisly". One murder happened in 2001......Is this some type of reverse psychology for capital punishment?
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    #87 Jersey

    We'll see what he has to say .... 189 of the 215 were already out of prison before today ... so we're talking about 26 people. Very strange this custom they have of granting clemency for people who worked at the mansion ... that is messed up.

    So tomorrow's Clarion-Ledger is supposed to have his statemen

    www.clarionledger.com

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    Pardons are one thing, and can make a lot of sense.

    But pardons for murderers, who, as far as we know from these couple sources, weren't even questionable in their guilt? wtf is he thinking?
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    Clinton and Bush did the same thing it sunk then and it stinks now.
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    Hell, Ford pardoned a guy that tried to steal a whole country.

    But we're not talking about stealing and scamming. We're talking about raping and murdering.

    13, did Clinton (or Bush for that matter) pardon four convicted murderers?

    If not, we have a different whole level of stinkage.

    By the way, I saw on the news tonight that Barbour went through the revolving door and became an instant lobbyist.

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    I think the one thing to consider, and chico alluded to this a little bit with respect to these not seeming questionable, is the circumstances that lead to the conviction. For example, while there was a murder, and it may have been grisly, it could be that the person pardoned was convicted under questionable circumstances. I'm not saying that's the case here though.
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    IIRC Clinton pardoned a major coke dealer, guess it depends if you count the deaths caused by his drug trafficking and the lives lost to the drug use/abuse.

    I don't care to argue the particulars and try to figure out who is 'more wrong' this is a issue that occurs with both parties and I'm not interested in your need to make everything partisan.
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    Outrageous, shameful, disgusting behavior. I hate political figures so much. Scum of the Earth.
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    Here's the key difference between liberals and conservatives: Barbour abuses his authority to pardon and gets condemned from both sides. But when Clinton pardons terrorists, coke traffickers, fugitives from justice and child pornographers, the left continues to defend him to their dying breath.
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    Seems to me that this thread is a great reason to support the death penalty.
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    Are you guys really trying to use who pardons who as a way to argue that one party is better than the other? I hope I am misunderstanding that because it sure comes across that way. The fact is both parties are scum and to imply that one party is better than the other because they are less scum is foolish. Maybe that is why our elected officials are scum, because people see their party as being the less of two evils. However when you vote for the less of two evils you are still voting for evil. As a result you get...EVIL! What a surprise!! Maybe it would be better to reevaluate the party you have supported and see if they are still worth your support instead of support them because you feel you need to be loyal to them, or just don't want to admit you were wrong.
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    Here is the difference no one really defended Clinton, but simply asked the question who??? and got a vague response.. that a drug dealer must have killed someone.

    But in this O'Keefian, world that would make perfect sense to the right, it is assumed that there was defense of what Clinton did.

    OTOH this sounds very plantation like, as there were 200 trustees working at his mansion?? What must the mansion look like.

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    Yeah 13, well I'm not interested in your very mechanical and predictable response, whereby the right doing something incredibly outrageous is proof that "they're all scum" and someone on the left doing likewise is somehow uniquely scummy.

    The fact of the matter is, in this instance, you have to say, "Damn, he did whut???"

    Your response is more like "Well yeah, he started WWIII, but this other guy had a parking violation."

    It's almost a given that you don't recall correctly, as regards Clinton (speaking of making it all partisan.) Why don't you find a link to the "outrage" of Clinton's pardons, or Bush's, or Reagan's, or whoever, and try to show something even remotely comparable to this.

    Bullsh1t. Once again.

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    Was he convicted of murder?


    Individual responsibility, 13 -- remember that one?

    Unless, of course, you want to start trying alcohol and tobacco companies as murderers b/c adults happen to enjoy their dangerous an addictive products.
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    Why were men convicted of hideous murders (and a few of them were, indeed, hideous) even working at the governor's mansion, anyhow? Wouldn't those jobs normally be reserved for people convicted of less grevious offenses?

    I mean, really, if you were governor, would you want 4 or 5 men who had been convicted of murdering their wives (some of them in front of their children or while holding children in their arms) or men convicted of rape working around your wife and children?

    Not only should they be looking into the pardons - but the way these "trustees" got these cushy jobs in the first place.
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    This is exactly what I mean about the left defending Clinton to their dying breaths. Clinton pardonered violent offenders, a cocaine trafficker, a child pornographer and rapist, among others, and those are likened to having a "parking violation."

    I'm man enough to admit that what Barbour did was sleazy in the highest degree. It was reprehensible and I am ashamed of him. I don't give him a free pass simply because he has an "R" after his name. Are you man enough to admit the same about Clinton? Or is it different when a democrat does it?
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    names, wolfie?
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    You need to articulate your cases clearer, with more details than this. Do not rememeber him "pardonered" violent offenders and rapists...

    Cannot find a link except for a right wing talking point..

    Maybe you are confused with last elections flavor of the month, Huckabee, when he pardoned a serial rapist..

    Here is a list, I can't find what you are talking about..

    USDOJ: Office of the Pardon Attorney: Clemency Recipients
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    In order to address these issues, this thread needs a healthy infusion of facts, something which people on the left seem to have no familiarity with because they're too busy screaming and yelling and running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

    While some in here want it to look like Haley released 200 cold blooded murderers who were currently doing hard time out into the streets, fact is 189 of the offenders were already out of jail so while the pardoning cleared their records, it didn't release them from prison (i.e. they were already released).

    Of the ~200, there are 3 pardons which I found to be particularly disturbing and shameful. The courts have temporarily stalled those from going through and I hope the political ****storm leads the governor to realize how wrong he was.
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    Yea, see Bill Clinton pardons violent offenders, rapists and drug dealers.. that is a very cogent, well thought out argument.
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    Yup, just like I said people: The left,especially my own personal stalker DarrylS, will defend any behavior by a democrat, no matter how reprehensible to their dying breath. Since you seem woefully (and perhaps willingly) ignorant, here's a list from wiki of the terrorists, child pornographers, drug traffickers and rapists which it took about 3 seconds to find:

    Peter MacDonald had been sentenced to 14 years at a Federal Prison in Texas for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption stemming from the Navajo purchase of the Big Boquillas Ranch in Northwestern Arizona. On the day before President Clinton left office, U.S. Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy lobbied the White House to commute the sentence of the former leader of the Navajo Nation. MacDonald's sentence was commuted after he served 10 years.
    Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
    Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his 1983 mail fraud and perjury convictions. [15] In 1998 he was under federal investigation for money laundering and tax evasion charges.[16] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public.[17] Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[18]
    Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg, members of the radical Weather Underground organization, both had sentences for weapons and explosives charges commuted: Evans served 16 years of her 40-year sentence, and Rosenberg served 16 of her 58 years.[19][20]
    Marc Rich, a fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.[21] Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon. Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."[22]
    Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal. McDougal had served the maximum possible 18 months, including eight in solitary confinement, on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
    Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman from Illinois and Chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, was pardoned for his role in the Congressional Post Office scandal. Rostenkowski had served 13 months of a 17-month sentence before being released in 1997.[23] After his release from prison, Clinton granted him a pardon in December of 2000. [24]
    Melvin J. Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography. His sentence was commuted on the bank fraud charge and he was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a halfway house. Reynolds had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
    Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother was pardoned for drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade earlier. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[25] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others. However, no wrongdoing was uncovered.
    Harvey Weinig, a former Manhattan lawyer who was sentenced in 1996 to 11 years in prison for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali cocaine cartel
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