Forfeited pick fall-out -- What of #32

[dryheat44]

I'm curious if anybody knows offhand if the first pick in the second round is eligible to be signed to a five-year deal? In other words, does the five-year max apply to first-round picks, or the first 32 picks of the draft? We know which way Parcells is going to argue it.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The CBA specifically says first-round, so #32 is a four-year deal.

The intriguing issue, though, is actually #16, since it also specifically says "the first half of the first round" for six-year deals v. five-year deals--but doesn't explicitly specify what happens if there are an odd number of picks.

 

[dryheat44]

The CBA specifically says first-round, so #32 is a four-year deal.

The intriguing issue, though, is actually #16, since it also specifically says "the first half of the first round" for six-year deals v. five-year deals--but doesn't explicitly specify what happens if there are an odd number of picks.

Then we know which way Mike Jenkins' agent is going to argue it. Clearly, his guy was not drafted 15 1/2th

 

[BelichickFan]

The intriguing issue, though, is actually #16, since it also specifically says "the first half of the first round" for six-year deals v. five-year deals--but doesn't explicitly specify what happens if there are an odd number of picks.

5 1/2 year contract, obviously

 

[signbabybrady]

I would assume it works the same as any other year.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I would assume it works the same as any other year.

But that's the point--the CBA doesn't explicitly state what happens in such a case.

 

[dryheat44]

5 1/2 year contract, obviously

How great would a mid-season unrestricted free agent be?

 

[spacecrime]

But that's the point--the CBA doesn't explicitly state what happens in such a case.

Sure it does. The only reason this seems confusing to people is because they are using one work (pick) to signify both the slot and the player selected.

The first round is the first round. There are 32 slots in the first round. One is being forfeited, but that doesn't change the fact that the second round is still the second round. It will be the Dolphins second selection, no matter how many players have been picked.

Just think of it like compensatory selections. Even if you add six or seven picks to the third round, they are still third round selections, not fourth rounders because the third round "ended" with the superbowl champ making a selection.

The wording of the CBA is weird, but that doesn't change the fact that the thr first round is the first round of selections for each team, of which there are 32. Whether one selection is made or not is irrelevant. Picks 1-16 are the first half of the first round, and picks 17-32 are the second half.

These kinds of silly discussions should be relegated to June-July when there is absolutely nothing else to talk about. Things are hopping now with REAL football news.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Sure it does. The only reason this seems confusing to people is because they are using one work (pick) to signify both the slot and the player selected.

Here are the exact words of the CBA. It is completely unambiguous about the question of #32.

Section 5. Rookie Player Contract Length: The initial Player Contract of a Rookie, including any Club option, may not exceed four (4) years in length, except that the initial Player Contract of a Rookie drafted with a selection in the first half of the first round (e.g., the first sixteen (16) of thirty-two (32) selections in the 2006 Draft), including any Club option, may not exceed six (6) years in length, and the initial Player Contract of a Rookie drafted with a selection in the second half of the first round, including any Club option, may not exceed five (5) years in length."

Unfortunately, this is not unambiguous in the case of there being 31 picks in the first round.

 

[dryheat44]

Just think of it like compensatory selections. Even if you add six or seven picks to the third round, they are still third round selections, not fourth rounders because the third round "ended" with the superbowl champ making a selection.
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That's a fair analogy. It still doesn't say if pick 16 is definitely eligible for a six year deal or not. In fact, a strict interpretation of the language would seem to indicate no.

 

[spacecrime]

Here are the exact words of the CBA. It is completely unambiguous about the question of #32.



Unfortunately, this is not unambiguous in the case of there being 31 picks in the first round.

Yes it is. Stop using the work "Pick" to signify both a player and a spot in the draft. You don't see the work "pick" in that article you quoted, do you?

What is ambiguous about the statement that the first 16 players selected got a six year contract?

Geez, man, why torture yourself inventing controversies where none exist?

Why not worry about whether Keith Rivers can play ILB and whether Gholston cna shed blocks?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes it is. Stop using the work "Pick" to signify both a player and a spot in the draft. You don't see the work "pick" in that article you quoted, do you?

I don't see how whether we use "pick" or "selection" to refer to the spots or the players makes a difference in this case. The question is really, "how does the NFL treat this selection that the Patriots forfeited?" And, for that matter, "is the player drafted at #16 going to try and make the argument that the team that drafted him can only sign him for five years?" Maybe it is all a moot point, but it's an interesting question, and one that could potentially mean a difference of millions to the player drafted there.

Geez, man, why torture yourself inventing controversies where none exist?

Actually, it says a "selection in the first half." [Here's another hypothetical situation--team #16 is late, and team #17 gets in before them. Who gets to sign a six-year contract?]

Why not worry about whether Keith Rivers can play ILB and whether Gholston cna shed blocks?

Because it gives us an idea of how far down BB might be willing to drop in the draft, b/c we know he'd rather have the player signed for six years than five.

And because this is the document that determines what's going to happen to this team, and the rest of the NFL, in the next few years.