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  1. IndyPatriotsfan

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    This is a direct quote for the U.S. Constitution. So, since Obama's mother was a United States citizen, he could have been born on the moon and he's still a natural born U.S. citizen.
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    #87 Jersey


    She wasn't old enough at the time ... She needed 5 years after 18 ... she had 3 ... do your homework.

    He qualifies because he was born in Hawaii ... not for any other reason.

    snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

    The birthers contention is that he was born elsewhere ... and had his birth certificate done in Hawaii, which was the practice there at the time. This issue (birther) is moot at this point.
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    Speaking of Birthers Az. passed a law that essentially says that any president who appears on an Az. ballot has to show his birth certificate... much ado about nothing..

    Guess all those layers or security we have with the accompanying agencies don't know jack..
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    Yah. Arizona should have spent their media time working on requirements for gov. of Arizona, which is what AZ can actually legislate. A state can't add electoral requirements for the presidency. If this even comes up it should make for an entertaining jaunt through the courts.
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    Amazing he has spent 2 million of his own (Obama's) money for legal fees, keeping the records from being made public and who know how much taxpayer money having the DOJ fight off lawsuits.
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    And people like you, Harry, the Army Captain, Joe Farah and Orly Taitz continue to be infatuated with this whole thing.. don't you get any of this, as long as you go there, something else is happening..

    Let me honestly ask you this question, with all of our layers of security in the US Government.. NSA, FBI, CIA and a whole host of other anacronyms.. that they did not know the truth and did not inform Bush????.. if it were true Obama would have been blown out in the Iowa Caucus.. there is no smoke and no fire, just a lot of idle rhetoric and a whole bunch of hysteria..
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    #75 Jersey

    WRONG<WWRONG<WRONG

    Regardless if you beleive Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya or Mars this is why he should have put this to bed a long long time ago...

    The Immigration and Nationality Act would make Obama an illegal alien if he was indeed born outside the US. As at the time of his birth (for this purpose we are assuming 1961, as nobody knows for sure) the laws stated that children born outside of the United States to one US citizen parent and an alien, would automatically become a US citizen IF one of the parents was physically present in the United States (or its outlying possessions (Guam, Marshal Islands) for a period of ten years, AND AT LEAST FIVE OF THOSE YEARS AFTER THE AGE OF 14.

    This law was amended on 11/14/1986 to change the time to 5 years 2 after 14. But the changes are only for children born on or after 11/14/1986.

    This is very important to the arguement becasue since Obama's mother was only 17 when he was born, it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to have derived US citizenship from his mother. In fact unless she got him a "NA-3" immigrant visa, he would be an illegal alien!!!

    I have no idea where or when Obama was born, the mere fact that this is still a question is a troubling statement about the absolute death of journalism here in America. Anyone who has had a kid can attest, you get to know the other people on the maternity ward at the time. I'm sure without much trouble a reporter could track down other people who were born in that Hospital in 1961 and interview them, and if a 17 year old hippie girl gave birth to a black baby in Hawaii in 1961, the rest of the people on the maternity ward would remember that and that would be the end of it. The fact that nobody has done this is very troubling.....the same people who found out the GWB got a traffic ticket in the sixties, can't bother to figure out or prove if the President is indeed a US citizen.......
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    Why Are They Doing This

    Ariz House: Check Obama's Citizenship

    PHOENIX -- The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for reelection.

    The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

    It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.

    Phoenix Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema said the bill is one of several measures that are making Arizona "the laughing stock of the nation."

    Mesa Republican Rep. Cecil Ash said he has no reason to doubt Obama's citizenship but supports the measure because it could help end doubt.
    Ariz House: Check Obama's Citizenship - Phoenix News Story - KPHO Phoenix
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    The Birth Certificate That Was Shown On The Internet Is A Friggin Joke

    OBAMA COULD STOP THIS ALL TODAY WHY WON'T HE
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    By the same token, those who contest his birth in the USA could do the same thing - and they haven't. A determined "birther" could track down every woman who had a baby in whatever Honolulu hospital Obama says he was born in and interview them. If no one remembered a 17 year old hippie chick giving birth to a black baby then they could publish those findings - not entirely conclusive, but something.

    Better yet, with some determination, find the "real" birth certificate in Kenya or whereever.

    Get a federal judge to hear the case. (Opps, that's been tried already - and The Supreme Court said, "No.") Try again.

    The majority of people have accepted that Obama was born here - which means the burden of proof has shifted to those wanting to disprove it.

    The fact that you feel it has not been "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt" that he was born here doesn't make it everyone else's responsibility to keep "proving" he was - it falls on those who don't believe it to prove he wasn't.

    As you say, whatever the truth is, it should be easy enough to research - which leads me to wonder why you haven't turned up any witnesses or anything else conclusive to back up your allegations.
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    There is an Army Lt Col who refuses to go back to Afghanistan until he shows his BC.


    As to your question. Barry won what 53% of the vote, If he isn't a Natural Born US citizen revealing that would hurt the country there would be Chaos putting a popularly elected official out of office.


    BTW a Senator in Kenya spoke in the public record about Obama being born in Kenya is the last 3 months.


    IMO I wish the issue would go away, Obama is doing great damage to the left by pushing the statist agenda so hard and is creating a conservative movement for smaller government in the process.

    I would rather not see the distraction of his citizenship go away vote the jerk out in 2012.
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    #11 Jersey

    You're right - there is. He's also being court-martialed for it.

    'Birther' Lt. Col. Terry Lakin to be court-martialed for refusing order to deploy to Afghanistan


    Excellent new!!! I'm sure he's got proof, right? There's your answer. Problem solved. Have him verify it and get the impeachment started.


    Ok...which is it? In paragraph one you say "I wish the issue would go away." and in paragraph two you say, "I would rather not see the distraction of his citizenship go away."

    Ever think of running for office, 13? You'd be a natural for it.
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    By your logic, then OJ should be "considered" guilty, as a majority of people accept the fact that he killed his wife and Goldman.....................

    Look, questions were made about McCain's birth (believe me I wish he was ineligible) in the canal zone, so much so, that the Senate actually passed a "sense of the Senate" resolution that stated that McCain was a natural born citizen...NOW THIS WAS FOR THE SON AND THE GRANDSON OF ADMIRALS IN THE US NAVY!!! So the Senate felt that they had to clear that up, but questioning Obama because half his family states he was born in Kenya, no records of any of his schooling can be relased, and Hawaii has changed their FOIA laws to thwart the release of his birth certificate.
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    Obama Is White
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    Isn't this the guy that got the esteemed lawyer/dentist/real estate agent Orly Tantz to represent him.... And wasn't this all a smoke screen for the real reason he didn't want to go?
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    Damn, Harry, for once you're at least half-right!! Congratulations!!
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    Thank You.......................
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    #11 Jersey

    Nah...that was a Reserve dude. The military said,
    Fine, whatever," reversed his deployment orders and he got fired from his day job working as a contractor for the government. He and Orly took it to court and he lost.

    He got his 15 minutes of fame and you can't find jack about him on the internet anymore.
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    WOnder if they will go through with the Court Marshal, my bet is that the matter will be dropped and he doesn't go to Afghanistan.


    The reason is that if they go forward there wold be a discovery process for the Defense, that won't happen.


    Why has Obama spent so much money fighting something as trivial as a BC? I have to show mine in NJ to renew my Driver's license.

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