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  1. DaBruinz

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    All you people ragging on Cassel claiming that "he just barely beat the 'worst defense' in the league" how about you read and reply to this. And I am giving this its own thread because you all seem to be ignoring it in the other ones.
    And this too for good measure:


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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    1. gone to med school and cured Tom's knee

    or

    2. played on the offensive line and prevented the hit.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:



    3. Prevented Faulk from getting in trouble in the offseason, thereby not getting suspended and being there to keep Pollard away from Brady!
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Co-sign.

    As I said in another thread. If Welker and Moss don't fumble, we beat the Chiefs either 27-10 or 31-10, and Cassel is responsible for 17 of those points. So the "WE ONLY BEAT THE CHIEFS BY 7!!@#" garbage should not be a valid comment by Cassel bashers. He should've come into the game w a lead given those two Brady-led drives were on their way to scoring points before the fumbles.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    I haven't really seen any "Cassell-ragging" going on.

    Have I been just missing it?

    If anyone was gonna rag the boy, it would have been me, and I certainly think he did a very nice job yesterday. In fact, if he can continue to play at that servicable level, I think we will be okay with him running the show.

    Now granted, the Chiefs are not a great team, but they DO have a decent defense, and Cassell was able to keep things running against them.

    I like Simms coming in as an insurance policy, but, based on yesterday's performance and certainly his pre-season showing notwithstanding, I think Matt will be fine.

    On another note, do we even know FOR SURE that Brady is out for the year?

    And, also agreed, Moss' fumble was huge, because it killed a scoring drive. What happened? He didn't even get hit. He just fell down and spit up the ball!
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    6) The 3rd series was ended when the Patriots, on 2 straight running plays, couldn't pick up 2 yards. In fact, they telegraphed the plays so badly that the chiefs had 9 in the box the 1st time and 9 in the box the second time.

    Thats Cassells fault since he scares nobody and teams can load up on our running game.

    Just wait until he falls on his face the ballwashers will change there tune drastically.

    "Even the sun shines on a dogs ass somedays"
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    From all accounts (Except the one that matters in Foxboro) Matt Cassel is my Quarterback now, I'm behind him %100. If BB feels Chris Simms or Tim Rattay or Daunte Culpepper, or the Tooth Fairy gives the team a better chance to win I'll be %100 behind them too.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    How is it Cassel's fault that McDaniels called 3 straight running plays? The Chiefs loading the box had NOTHING to do with whether Cassel scared people. It had to do with the Patriots telegraphing the run.

    BTW, the people who are defending cassel are not Cassel ballwashers. They are friggin realists who have a better understanding of the game than you do.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    I haven't seen a bit of it. I think everybody appreciates how well Cassel handled a tough assignment yesterday.

    DaBruinz, speculating on the season-long starting QB situation isn't ragging on Cassel's performance. It's just acknowledging that the position is now up for scrutiny for the first time in a long, long time.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Clearly. Its been going on since last night. All the calls for KO'C.

    Nope. We don't know anything about Brady's situation yet.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Plus don't forget the way Brady won games in 01. His line read just like Cassels did yesterday for many of those games.

    If Cassell can manage the team the way he did yesterday the rest of the talent on this team will take over and we will still have a chance albeit the chance is not as great as it was before yesterdays game.

    Chip and chair.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Patchick - The threads calling for KO'C to be the starter or calling for Culpepper to be signed have ALL been ragging on Cassel's perfromance. Saying that it was HIS fault that the Pats only won by 7.

    I understand that you might not have caught up with all the reading on the subject, but its there and it IS ragging on Cassel.

    Also, here are 4 threads (3 of which were started last night and 1 was resurrected from April) where people are saying that Cassel stinks.

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=118883
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=118837
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=73186
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=117468
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Isn't there a thread right on the first sheet opining that somebody else should start as the QB??
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Actually, there are three fairly active threads wanting some other QB to lead. One for Culpepper and two on Kevin O'Connell.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Fair enough -- in that case, shame on 'em.

    I think it's worth reevaluating long-term options in this new Brady-less world, but Matt did exactly what you hope a backup QB will do in an emergency situation: he did his job and put his team in position to win.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    I admit that I am a Cassel ragging fan. I don't know if he will

    be able to do the job for an entire season but Sunday he did what

    was asked of him. He had no interceptions and committed no fumbles.

    I suspect that what will be asked of him for the rest of the year will

    be to play mistake free football. The Pats will change from a pass

    happy team to a team that runs the ball on first and second downs.

    Cassel will be brought along slowly just like Tom Brady in 2001.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    What is the point of this kind of denial exactly? I'm fascinated by the psychology behind it.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:


    The reason you have a backup is to replace your starter if he goes down. BB had 2 years to find a "better" backup for Tom if he didn't feel Matt was good enough. Just like in 2001 when he didn't look for someone to replace Tom, he's not going to be looking to replace Matt
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Patchick - The way you say that its like Brady died. He didn't. He's suffered an unknown injury to his lower left leg. We don't know if it was just a bone bruise or a torn ACL and MCL with Meniscus damage.

    I consider "long term" to be more than 1 year. I don't see the long term options being changed unless Brady calls Bill and tell him that, because of the injury, he's retiring effective immediately.

    Short term, I see the Patriots evaluating the available QB options and making a decision once more information about Brady's injury has been gathered. If Brady is out for 1-2 of weeks (extreme optimism there), then I don't see the Pats doing anything. If Brady is out more than than 2 weeks, then I see the Pats bringing in a veteran like Simms or Rattay who can be an effective back-up to Cassel. Could that player earn his way onto the field. Yep. If Cassel implodes or gets hurt himself.

    But the Patriots, as is their modus operandi, are bringing in Rattay and Simms for physicals and evaluations. Its called, being prepared.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    There is no denial on my part. Its called a wait and see attitude. Especially since the Patriots have yet to announce anything. And, if you knew a damn thing about the Patriots, you'd know that they don't tell anyone anything about injuries. That's why its laughable that the Jets were suppoedly telling people that Brady was out for the season during their half-time.

    The ONLY thing that's been confirmed is that BB spoke to the team during Half-time and told them that they needed to play on and basically treat it as if Brady was done for the year. There is two reasons why a coach does that. The first is so they stay focused on the task at hand. And the second is so that they get behind the back-up quarterback and play their best. In both cases, its done so the team isn't expecting Brady to come out and be their savior.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    I understand the latest fad in the NFL is the QB as a "game manager". However, a couple of things:

    3rd and 11 at your 1 yard line... and you complete a 51 yard pass? That's called making a play.

    3rd and 10 and TD? That's called making a play.


    Now we start with Cassell getting all the prep snaps and a tailor made gameplan. We also don't have a "tough" team till week 6 and the bye.

    Also, I would point out we like WON.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    OK, then we're just defining the terms differently. To me, 15+ games is easily long enough to re-evaluate your approach to the QB position.

    Cassel and Gutierrez struck me as guys who were being groomed to be mini-Bradys, almost like a mini spare tire. If your starter goes down for a half or a game or two or three, you benefit from consistency. Cassel knows the playbook and the personnel, and executed a scaled-back version of the original game plan admirably. Another QB without Cassel's knowledge, familiarity and mini-Bradyness might have fared far worse, regardless of their relative talent levels.

    If you're looking at a full season, though, your approach may change. You have time to reconfigure game plans to another QB's strengths and get him acclimatized to the offense and personnel. So I think you have to step back and reevaluate. It may well be that Cassel is the right answer for the rest of the season, but I think it's a mistake to automatically assume that the best choice for a backup QB is the same as the best choice for a replacement QB.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    I'm not sure about all the details, but this is the right attitude. Fan support is important right now for the team. if a bunch of morons start booing Matt on Sundays, it won't be a good thing for anybody.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    I will back DaBruinz on his claims of Cassel dumping. There were some fairly ridiculous conversations on the topic last night.

    There is little to no first team data on any quarterback option, so hanging on to college or preseason performance against nth team, soon to be out of the NFL defense is fairly ridiculous. Belichick kept Cassel on the roster, and given the limited roster spots and Belichick's lack of sentimentality he does not hesitate to kick someone to the curb if that individual does not represent an immediate value added. As Belichick has likely forgotten more about football than the aggregate football acumen of this board, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Cassel is a wildcard, just as Brady was a wildcard in 2001 (I threw the statement out last night but nobody bit - I do not expect there was much of "ding dong the witch is dead" when Bledsoe got thrashed in the Jets game and Brady came in but I cannot recall Brady's preseason numbers to give a reference point for the 199th pick in the draft). Brady's 2000 statistics were what, 1/3 passing? They should have cut that guy under the logic applied to Cassel's performance.

    I also will not fault the OC for a conservative gameplan given the number of practice reps Cassel likely got that week. Walking away from that game with a win was an accomplishment in itself.
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    This argument has validity if talking about more than one season. If there were a better option at QB which required a different system, it would not happen the same year the injury happened. BB decided Cassel is the best backup for this system, if indeed it was evaluated that it would be better for a different QB in a new system, it would take longer than a few weeks or months to install that new system.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Mr. Morris, go stand in the corner.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:


    Right, it's just a coincidence that they were right about the type and severity of the injury. Lucky guess.
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Sounds like Morris had a tough day on blitz pickup overall ...
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    Re: For all you people ragging on Cassel.. Read this:

    Before we jump in 'apology' thread, we need to sit back and see how Cassel's performance is in the next 2 games.

    His scoring 2 TDs in 1 game doesn't necessary mean that he is the MAN. Time will tell.I'll see it this Sunday.
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