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  1. Tunescribe

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    http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_...wild-ride/20061020231509990001?_ccc=6&cid=842

    Global Warming Study Predicts 'Wild Ride' for Some Areas
    Extended Droughts, Heavier Rainfalls and Longer Heat Waves Seen in Next Century
    By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP

    WASHINGTON (Oct. 21) - The world - especially the Western United States, the Mediterranean region and Brazil - will likely suffer more extended droughts, heavy rainfalls and longer heat waves over the next century because of global warming, a new study forecasts.
    A reservoir in Sacedon, Spain, sits at a very low water level due to drought in August. A new study predicts harsher droughts for the Mediterranean region as global warming intensifies.
    But the prediction of a future of nasty extreme weather also includes fewer freezes and a longer growing season.
    In a preview of a major international multiyear report on climate change that comes out next year, a study out of the National Center for Atmospheric Research details what nine of the world's top computer models predict for the lurching of climate at its most extreme.
    "It's going to be a wild ride, especially for specific regions," said study lead author Claudia Tebaldi, a scientist at the federally funded academic research center.
    Tebaldi pointed to the Western U.S., Mediterranean nations and Brazil as "hot spots" that will get extremes at their worst, according to the computer models.
    And some places, such as the Pacific Northwest, are predicted to get a strange double whammy of longer dry spells punctuated by heavier rainfall.
    As the world warms, there will be more rain likely in the tropical Pacific Ocean, and that will change the air flow for certain areas, much like El Nino weather oscillations now do, said study co-author Gerald Meehl, a top computer modeler at the research center. Those changes will affect the U.S. West, Australia and Brazil, even though it's on South America's eastern coast.
    For the Mediterranean, the issue has more to do with rainfall in the tropical Atlantic Ocean changing air currents, he said.
    "Extreme events are the kinds of things that have the biggest impacts, not only on humans, but on mammals and ecosystems," Meehl said. The study, to be published in the December issue of the peer-reviewed journal Climatic Change, "gives us stronger and more compelling evidence that these changes in extremes are more likely."
    The researchers took 10 international agreed-upon indices that measure climate extremes - five that deal with temperature and five with precipitation - and ran computer models for the world through the year 2099. What Tebaldi called the scariest results had to do with heat waves and warm nights. Everything about heat waves - their intensity, length and occurrence - worsens.
    "The changes are very significant there," Tebaldi said. "It's enough to say we're in for a bad future."
    The measurement of warm nights saw the biggest forecast changes. Every part of the globe is predicted to experience a tremendous increase in the number of nights during which the low temperature is extremely high. Those warm night temperatures that should happen only once every decade will likely occur at least every other year by the time we reach 2099, if not more frequently, Tebaldi said.
    Warm nights are crucial because Chicago's 1995 heat wave demonstrated that after three straight hot nights, people start dying, Meehl said. However, heat wave deaths are decreasing in the United States because society has learned to adapt better, using air conditioning, noted University of Alabama at Huntsville atmospheric sciences professor John Christy. He is one of a minority of climate scientists who downplay the seriousness of global warming.
    Similarly, the days when the temperature drops below freezing will plummet worldwide. That's not necessarily a good thing, because fewer frost days will likely bring dramatic change in wildlife, especially bug infestation, Tebaldi said.
    "It's a disruption of the equilibrium that's been going for many centuries," Tebaldi said. But she noted that a lengthier growing season in general is good.
    "This notion of the greening of the planet ... generally is a positive benefit," Christy said.
    Christy, who did not participate in the study but acknowledges that global warming is real and man-made, said an increase in nighttime low temperatures makes much more sense than the rain-and-drought forecasts of the paper.
    One of the larger changes in precipitation predicted is in the intensity of rain and snowfall. That means, Tebaldi said, "when it rains, it rains more" even if it doesn't rain as often.
    Tebaldi's assessment jibes with the National Climatic Data Center's tracking of extreme events in the United States, said David Easterling, chief of the center's scientific services. Easterling's group has created a massive climate extreme index that measures the weather in America. Last year, the United States experienced the second most extreme year in 95 years; the worst year was in 1998.
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    Droughts come and go. The climate on this planet and in this Solar System has been changing for the past 4 billion years.

    The questions are is there some warming.. Yes
    Is it man made or do to other processes.....TBD
    Will it continue.....TBD
    Can changes in Human activity change these processes.... TBD


    Everything we curently are well within the envelop of climate seen on this planet over the past 11 million years.

    It is worth noting that the rest of the Solar system is also warming. new storms (Red spot) on Jupiter, melting Polar Ice Caps on Mars.

    I would refer you to the data gather by NASA on sunspot activity and changes in Global tempatures and another study just coming out of Europe about variation in cosmic ray exposure on the earth and it effects on cloud formation and global tempature.


    http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/10/the_cosmic_climate_connection.php


    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20041025/sunspot.html
    There is also data that shows that during the Pre Cambian warming period (those damn dinosaur's and their cars :p ) when the artic ocearn has an average temp of 70F the equitorial regions weren't appreciable than they are now.
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    Bush & America Are To Blame, Get Rid Of Bush & America And There Will Be No Global Warming
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    Global warming is pure junk science. Let's dump trillions into fixing the non exsitant problem... Nice liberal notion.
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    excellent post.
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    no comment on this nonsense,

    just wanted to get the tin-foil hats out

    of mothballs.
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    Speaking of tin-foil hats, ship some down to the South Pole where they can use them for sun-tanning, to go along with their new air conditioning units they just ordered.
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    I guess we better order some for Mars since the ice is melting over there too.


    Mars Emerging from Ice Age, Data Suggest
    By SPACE.com

    posted: 03:00 pm ET
    08 December 2003



    Scientists have suspected in recent years that Mars might be undergoing some sort of global warming. New data points to the possibility it is emerging from an ice age.

    NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter has been surveying the planet for nearly a full Martian year now, and it has spotted seasonal changes like the advance and retreat of polar ice. It's also gathering data of a possible longer trend.

    There appears to be too much frozen water at low-latitude regions -- away from the frigid poles -- given the current climate of Mars. The situation is not in equilibrium, said William Feldman of the Los Alamos National Laboratory.

    "One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age," Feldman said. "In some low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated. In others, that process is slower and hasn't reached an equilibrium yet. Those areas are like the patches of snow you sometimes see persisting in protected spots long after the last snowfall of the winter."
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    Its probably the Mars explorer emitting some kind of emissions, because as we all know nothing ever became extinct or the temperature never fluctuated until humans and their machines started inhabiting the planet.
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    This time last year global warming was responsible for all the big hurricanes - I guess the water temperature is cooler this year or something :confused: :D
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    Hmmm....Funny how we were once being enviro-nazi'd about an impending Ice Age and global catastrophe.

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    "The Cooling World"

    - by Peter Gwynne

    April 28, 1975 Newsweek

    There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production– with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

    The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

    To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down.



    Hmmm...all this sounds familiar doesn't it? Only, todays rhetoric talks about Global Warming not Cooling. So what facts do they have to back this arguement up with?

    A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.



    Wow, how astounding! The Earth's been here how long, and these figures are from when? So was everyone in agreement with this hypothesis back then?

    Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,†concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.â€

    So is that a yes or a no? I'm confused.

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    Maybe we should ask this guy.

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