Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Mogamedogz, Jan 3, 2011.
Hot Crow is served. Come'and get it boys!
Now this is some crow im sure you all will gladly eat...
I'll admit it I thought Maroney was better. I really believed people only likee BJGE because they hated Maroney so much. I was totally wrong, dude is solid.
Fine. Serve it up. I thought Maroney's athleticism would get him past his mental roadblocks and the Firm would serve as a solid backup. I stand corrected. :bricks:
They did have close seasons!
BJGE had 1008 yards while Maroney was just behind with 74 yards
And he only played in 4 games!
Maroney dances and BJGE runs hard...that already makes Lawfirm better.
Did I think Lawfirm would rush for 1,000 yards though?
Maroney had a 1000 yard season too... only it was sideline to sideline yards.
Law firm doesn't have tons of speed or moves but he's patient, tough, and takes every hand off like it's his last. I always believed in Maroney and this season I predicted he would finally have a standout year as a Patriot. I didn't consider BJGE as a player to keep an eye on coming into this season but man has he played great...
Maroney in his first years had way more talent than Benny. Injuries took their toll on Maroney ... especially the chest cartilage tear. But why compare ... Benny has made the most of his ability he doesn't need to be compared to anyone but what he has the ability to do.
Maroney was playing in a pass first offense all the time he was here and was constantly injured. He's always gotten too much crap on this board and that's especially true here. BJGE is a north-south runner in an offense that's more balanced and is perfectly made for his abilities and has been incredibly lucky with injuries.
I will indulge in some crow, though. I never thought BJGE would get 1,000 yards. Kudos to him.
Havent been afraid to say Maroney and Moss sucked since I joined. The Moss apologists got pretty annoying when I had been calling him a POS dog for months.
Agreed. I never understood the hate for Maroney, and fail to grasp the constant need for fans to blast another Pats player, former or current (see the Woodhead/Faulk comparison threads) to celebrate the success of a current player. BJGE has had a great year. Compare it to the 13 games played by Maroney in 2007, and he is slightly under Maroney's game average. Different teams, different players. Not sure how a single season makes you a better player than another. It's enough to say BJGE is better than Maroney now.
As BJGE has been here for three years, and played second fiddle to Maroney and Taylor, I would never have predicted him enjoying this success. I am happy to be proven wrong on that.
I don't think anybody thought BJGE would even come close to 1000 yards. The guy plays hard, no question about that. The 1000 yard milestone was definitely well deserved.
Hard to imagine how the guy hasn't fumbled yet. I keep thinking he's due for a freak fumble but he continues to defy me. I hope he keeps that trend up.
I never liked Maroney... what really got to me was the dancing ..
Plus, I think Bill took a lot of his own personal time to try and coach him up, spending an hour 1:1 with him each week. However, it is more than apparent that the lessons were being given to a pupil who wasn't that bright or maybe, not determined enough to translate that knowledge into plays on the field.
Maybe Bill just gave up on him and decided it was time to ship him out.
Troy Brown was right!
The Maroney naysayers were right all along. Maroney is basically out of the league now. He is a fast running back with horrible vision and takes too long to hit the hole.
I'll eat my crow, I never though BJGE was really going to go anywhere, he just kept getting better and better though.
Please don't make excuses for maroney....injuries were NOT the primary cause for his deficiencies in the NFL....he had trouble making reads, and hitting the hole quickly....one of the most indecisive backs I have ever watched. The dancing routine worked in college because the holes opened by the OL and Barber were HUGE....can't tap dance like that in the NFL and be successful....sad story...nice kid....BJGE was just a MUCH better, and tougher NFL player in the end...
I stuck by Maroney too long, mainly because I thought he deserved a chance after his injuries, and I underestimated the Lawfirm.
I'd probably do the same again if life provided do-overs, but I was clearly wrong.
Maroney never lived up to the hype of being a #1 pick.. if he was picked in the 4th or 5th round, peopel wouldn't have given him as much ****.
Problem with LM was he never got better, he actually got worse..
I think most people (like myself) were hopeful for Maroney's potential. Then he kept getting hurt, and over time it after seeing more action it was time to let him go. It will be interesting to see if he gets signed anywhere next year.
Cousins, I was torched for my Maroney comments. My buttocks hair is finally growing back. I am vindicated there. I remember some saying BJGE would be a camp cut!
I was also adamant that Sanders was in a similar place as far as lack of value. I still don't like him and at some times he is a liability. He goes through periods where he can't cover or tackle...... but he has had a pretty good year. Is he my starter? No.... but he has made a important play or two so just don't serve my Sanders crow with feathers and that will be only a very small portion please. I guess as long as he and Merriweather are not inconsistent at the same time, we will be o.k.(p.s. I still don't trust either of them in a tight game and I still think both can be upgraded).
While the oven is on, I do have some Carriker and Gocong crow for some that I am cooking. It appears both were on crap teams but both had solid years. At 37 tackles and 1.5 sacks Carriker, whom I was informed so eloquently by some of our superstars, could not play in this league, yet had more tackles than any of our DL and started every game. How many wish we had a guy like him for the playoffs where we are wafer thin now? It cost the Redskins a swap of picks in the fourth round. Would we revisit that if we could?
Gocong had a nice year and his first at ILB, with two sacks and 75 tackles. I am happy with Spikes but Gocong was a cheap acquisition for the Browns and the Eagles will miss him for their playoffs with dinged Bradley and a rookie to start.
Both Carriker and Gocong are still young. If I eat Sanders crow I want the pseudo-intellectuals here dining with me for their share, and pass the potatoes.
By the way, I am still of the school that thinks that Moss and Branch together could have worked pending what was really going on between Moss and BB. I am still seeing Welker as less effective. Even if we call it 10%-15% less it is still fact. I think it was Zolak who brought that up. Tate gets fewer snaps would be the minor negative.
Getting back on track. BJGE I thought was decent because of his north south style....but..... a 1,000 runner if any, I thought would go to Taylor this year "if" he stayed healthy. Thanks for a great season so far Benny. Let's keep it going.
You were right about Maroney, dead wrong about Sanders, and you're still wrong about Carriker.
I'll take Spikes over the long term over Gocong, as well.
Can I have seconds please?
Maroney showed potential to be a big time back his first two years. I think he bulked up in response to the injuries he suffered in those years and lost his speed and quickness as a result. Couple that with his always mediocre instincts and he's just not a quality back anymore.
I've eaten that crow more than a few times this year, but sure, I'll eat it again. I will say that injuries have obviously robbed Maroney of a lot of the athleticism that made him good in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact that BJGE had a better season this year than Maroney's ever had.
This is crow I have no problem eating, and deserve to be at the front of the line for given my previous - and now silly looking - stance on Maroney.
We've all been wrong at one time or another.
[Granted I have been eating crow left and right recently...from Kontra re: the Heat; the Benny vs. Maroney argument; my prior stance on Mankins.]
But, at least when it comes to the Patriots, they have been making a whole lot of people eat crow this year. Which is even tastier than humble pie.
I admitted I was wrong about the guy already. He didn't have a great start to the season and came on in the second half especially after Mankins came back.
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