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  1. Holy Diver

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    #80 Jersey

    Obama will be listening to your calls too!

    I hope to all fukc you are on board with this, many of you supported the illegal wiretapping program of the Bush administration, so you must be 'wicked-cool' with Barack pushing forward with the same thing...

    for the record, I am not cool with this, nor was I in the past. No matter who is president, I have the right to my privacy.

    http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/jewel/jewelmtdobama.pdf

    Oh...and for the record, all of your calls and e-mails and texts and twitters run through the ATandT building about 5 blocks from my pad.





    from CandL: Obama DOJ Embraces BushCo FISA Argument - And Takes It Even Further | Crooks and Liars

    In other words, beyond even the outrageously broad "state secrets" privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and -- even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal -- you are barred from suing them unless they "willfully disclose" to the public what they have learned.





    Bush Legacy!


    Thanks, you prickfaced murderer....keep clearing yoiur brush, a-hole!
     
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    I'm fine with it for myself, I don't care who listens to my calls.

    I'm less fine with it in general now that Obamababy is trying to take over private companies as he might decide to first someone or cut their pay based on a phone call.

    (I'm kidding, I can't imagine even Obamababy would do that BUT let's not pretend nothing has changed since 1/21/09).
     
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    repeat after me.............PSYCHO
     
  4. Holy Diver

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    #80 Jersey

    There once was a poster named Tanked
    Who posted no thoughts and got spanked
    His substance was minimal
    repetition of drivel
    when asked for some thought he just blanked....


    aye aye aye aye.......
     
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    now there's some substance for ya............

    wash, rinse..........................repeat
     
  6. Holy Diver

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    #80 Jersey

    wow, you really rose to that challenge.....
     
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    was that a challenge?


    is that what you're trying to do?
     
  8. Holy Diver

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    #80 Jersey

    Yeah kid,

    when you get called out for having nothing to say, and reply with nothing....you failed the challenge. Not really sure how else to describe it to you. The fact that I have to explain that, speaks volumes about your skills.

    I love you, but you don't know why.

    sad.
     
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    you've said something???? when?

    what skill do you have? I mean other than parroting the same liberal garbage again and again and again?

    stop tryin to fool yourself and others that you have anything meaningful to add to any discussio
     
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    #80 Jersey

    Ugggghhhhhh.....

    The skill is in dialog, back and forth, and the ability to speak my mind. The skill is not toting the company line, and asking questions when I don't know the anser. the skill is not talking the opinions of a talk show host, or head of a party and regurgitating them.

    The skill is free thought, friend.

    You came to this game about 4 years too late, peeps are wise to it. ESPECIALLY me! And I will say that there are many posters on this board I rarely agree with but have found common ground on issues with on more than one occasion. Why? Because mostly there is a back and forth, and an understanding.

    With you, Stanley, there is a one way street, its your childish banter and it goes way beyond the speed limit, you are hurling yourself down an alley with a brick wall at the end. Your facts are backwards, your lingo is recycled and your talking points are ancient.



    I just wish you would try and bring something....ANYTHING...



    You really are better than that.....most peeps are....I'm really trying to help you out, and make you less of a bitter person. Trust me, people will like you. I will be the first person to stand up and cheer when you actually add something to a thread. I will applaud you with a standing ovation when you make me aware of your perspective, when you make a clean break from your corner and become human. Until then.....


    know I keep you in my heart.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    I heard that a lot from conservatives while this was an issue during the last administration.

    I for one am a BIG fan of the "wire-tap List"

    a lot like the no call list, but in this case, peopel can volunteer to have their phone tapped.

    wondering how many peeps would sign up for that?



    also......this is a direct conflict of the Fourth Amendment....wondering if people would also be cool with Obama taking your guns away...? We often talk about 'slippery slpes' and this is certainly one of them IMHO.

    count me IN as NOT cool with this decision Mr. Holder and Mr. Obama
     
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    #91 Jersey

    I'm not cool at all with this BS . But i want to hear it from BO himself before i beliee it. It reminds me of the idea of privetizing health care for vets, which never happened.
     
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    What do you think, the health insurance thing for vets was made up? Maybe by the vast right wing conspiracy? It was in fact being considered by the admin but was dropped because it was a PR nightmare!

    Here was the official word from the administration:

    "Last week, Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed to the House and Senate committees on veterans’ affairs that the idea to bill veterans’ private individual insurance was being considered by the administration."

    CNSNews.com - Obama May Charge Veterans' Private Health Insurance for Service-Related Ailments

    On to this topic though, I believe the issue here is prosecution of the telecoms for assisting in the wiretap program, not continuation of it. So bottom line is that I believe the program will still be ended by Obama, just that he is not willing to allow prosecution of past actions in order to protect "state secrets." That is much different from actively continuing the program.

    An interesting article in Slate about Obama using executive power in many of the same ways as Bush. I found its complaints somewhat limited in scope, and if you deal relatively I do not think this admin has pushed as hard as the last one, but an interesting take none the less.

    Barack Obama's czarlike wielding of executive power. - By Bruce Fein - Slate Magazine

    I especially like the quote at the end:

    "Justice Louis D. Brandeis: Sunshine is the best disinfectant; and, when the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invites every man to become a law unto himself."
     
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    For all the people calling Obama a lefty socialist this must come as a surprise. For all the people who voted for him, this must suck. It sucks for the people of this country.
     
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    I don't know, is it so bad for him to let AT&T off the hook as long as he's ending the program? That to me is the big thing.
     
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    My stance on the policy has not changed. I agree with Obama for taking it a step further. The government has the right to monitor all such communications but its content can not used against the communicator in a court of law. The basis of the program is not germane to collecting evidence for criminal proceedings, but rather to prevent attack. This a war, and such actions by the government are Constitutionally allowable.
     
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    #91 Jersey

    I never meant that it didn't happen but they thought about it and dropped it, it was a ludicrous idea in the first place. Maybe they'll think about this one and drop it too. I want to hear Obama or Gibbs confronted about this and hear if they refute it or not.
     
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    Point is they would have liked to do it IF it hadn't caused a firestorm. It is telling that they were suprised that it did raise a firestorm....;)
     
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    I want to know exactly WHO thought it was a good idea. Was it Obama, Shinseki, or was it someone on the economic panel like Summers, or Giethner.
     
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    Privatization of public services is almost always first favored by the business in lie to profit from it, then by the politicians whose campaigns they contributed to. It's generally not good from a policy perspective or for the recipients of the service (see: Enron).
     

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