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    First roster cutdown: who's in, who's out?
    By: John Morgan

    Before you assume the initial cuts to bring the roster down to 75 players won't be noteworthy look no further than last year, when James Sanders and Jonathan Wilhite were among those released by the team. Will there be any similar surprise moves this week...

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    I think the following will be asking if you want fries with that by Tuesday:

    Martin
    Urban
    Dennis
    Waldron
    Lavarias
    Harrison
    Rivera
    Bullman
    Holley
    Zusevics
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    It wouldn't surprise me to see Stallworth cut earlier rather than later in hopes he could catch on with another team like Sanders did last year. BB likes to give veterans that type of respect.
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    I could see BB doing that as long as he agrees to not sign within the AFCE, not that I think it would change the likely results.
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    As I recall Markus Zusevics was a fairly highly regarded OT prospect before tearing a pectoral muscle during the off-season. He'll go to IR eventually, but for now, will stay on PUP and work with Dante. He's a player who may figure into the Pats' future plans.
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    BB put his reputation on the line with the Navy that Kettani is likely to succeed in a pro career. Based on that, I think he's a very strong practice squad candidate. Thus, I'm guessing he'll only be cut in the final round.
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    So who do you see going in his place? I'm assuming that you agree with the other 9 as you didn't mention anyone else.
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    Why is it that everyone is so quick to get rid of Zusevics? He's on the NFI list and that will not count shortly. Same with Ballard being IRed..
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    There are any number of "camp fodder" players who could go at this point, but if you want a couple of surprises, how about Stallworth, or Moore?
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    Moore has played himself squarely onto the bubble.
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    It seems that way (regarding Moore). Stallworth would be a mild surprise.
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    Honestly, I see Gaffney going before Stallworth. Dante had some nice catches in the last half of the TB game, and Jabar has been nowhere to be found.
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    I know that we have differing thoughts to some extent on Moore, QB12, but what we can probably agree on is that he's a backup player for the most part who hopefully won't see much action unless injuries occur.

    One thing I would disagree with though is your assessment that he "has played himself squarely on the bubble."

    By many posters accts here, he had a very fine game #1. I'll give you that he did not look as good as hoped in game #2, and saw limited time in game #3.

    I respect your different opinion on a specific player, I think that will happen all the time, but what I would question is whether we even have enough of a negative sample size to judge that "he's played himself squarely on the bubble."

    And if you did choose to cut him by this assessment, who would your chosen player be to replace him? Dennard? He saw his first action yesterday, has been hurt and is a rookie. That isn't going to happen as a replacement.

    Cole? He may very well make the team, but even if he did replace Moore--they would simply flip flop positions from CB4 and CB5. Plus I think that a guy like Moore's versatility has made him pretty close to a lock the whole time, although I realize some would disagree. I really think it's between someone like Cole and Dennard, with Cole having the upper hand right now.

    Allen? He surely didn't look good at all, and wouldn't offer much/if any of an upgrade.

    To sum it up, I think that you may be correct in stating that Moore's game #2 was not good, but I don't think we have enough to go on + a real lack of potential replacements for a bottom roster backup CB at this point. In other words, I don't know if I'd agree that he's played himself that far on the bubble, even if he didn't do as well as we'd have liked.

    Only time will sort this one out. You could be right though.
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    Vets who might be cut in time for them to latch on with another team:

    • White
    • Allen, but I still see him as a candidate to make the roster with all the safety injuries (yet again).
    • Stallworth (or, I guess, Gaffney)
    • Shiancoe
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    I think that is a great point as Belichick often shows enough respect for a guy in that situation to allow them another crack somewhere else.

    From what the initial reports are regarding the safeties, it doesn't appear to be too bad, although we'll never know the real truth to the ins/outs of the whole picture either. In a worst case scenario, I think we get at least one of the two back for opening day, because I didn't personally get the feeling that Allen had showed too much this camp, although I could be wrong.

    I'm also wondering if the Gaffney feelings aren't a bit misplaced, simply due to his chemistry with Brady + TFB's openness about wanting him again. I just have a hunch that Gaffney's okay here.

    Schiancoe's a goner though, that's for sure.
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    Not impressed whatsoever with Donte' Stallworth this preseason.
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    Just to play the Devil's Advocate here, IMHO a LOT of the throws to Stallworth were way off the mark, or tipped by defenders. Did he miss a couple of catchable balls? yeah, but so have all our receivers so far. I just can't come out and blame him for the low number of catches he has had to date, as I don't see it as being all on him.
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    Something to consider: the three players that are still on PUP (Jake Ballard, Myron Pryor, Markus Zusevics) could be moved to Reserve/PUP. They would be off the roster for at least the first six weeks of the season, but that would mean that as few as seven players would need to be waived by Monday rather than ten.

    It's not as if the status of any of those three is going to change between now and Friday evening, so why not go ahead and do that now during this round of cuts?


    As far as cutting vets now, is there really that much of a difference between releasing them on Monday versus Friday? It seems to me that if that were the train of thought then they would have already been let go, as was the case with Underwood or Koepplin. I'd rather keep some of the veteran players mentioned earlier just in case another player at the same position has an unforeseen injury that may drastically change the appeal of retaining them.
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    A little off topic, but something I've been wondering at since I heard Belichick state how the worst thing about his job was making these cuts.

    So why make them?

    What purpose do these cuts serve the owners or the NFLPA? Why 53 man rosters and not 75 or 85?
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    A few comments/speculation/predictions from the local media (Greg Bedard, Field Yates and Tom E Curran):



    Initial roster cuts coming with vets in focus - Extra Points - Boston.com



    Predicting cuts to 75-man limit - New England Patriots Blog - espnBoston



    Cuts looming, some Patriots who should stay loose

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