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Fire Consumes WTC 7-Size Skyscraper, Building Does Not Collapse

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    There is a lot of interesting evidence and testimony, even from the owner himself, that makes the 3rd building collapse EXTREMELY suspicious. I'm not talking about the two main towers, though others have arguments for those.
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    BOOOOOOSH isn't in office, that's why it didn't collapse. Obama "changed" the rules for collapsed buildings.
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    It's very simple, the stinking Middle East Rat Bastards rigged the building months before 9/11 then on the big day (9/11) one of the smelly son of a b!tches pulled the trigger knowing that their friends (left wing loons) would blame Jenna Bush & Dick Cheney.

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    RW and Harry,

    love the fact filled replies.
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    only three steel buildings in the history of the Earth have ever collapsed due to fire. Two with the 'pancake theory' and one looked very similar to a controled demolition...

    WTC1
    WTC2
    WTC7





    3 and 'counting'....
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    Look at the construction used in the construction of the WTC and the mass of the flooring. Then look at the site both above and below ground to understand the fate of WTC 7. HAving been to the site many times & going down after the collapse of WTC 1&2 is not suprising. Do you have any ofrmal engineer education or are you merely a conspiracy buff?
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    One of my best friends former boss designed the twin towers. He was one of the first people called to respond to 9-11. He says that WTC1 and 2 went down the way they 'should have'. He refuses any conspiracy theories on the subject. Building 7, on theother hand he calls "Very Shady".

    conspiracy theorist? people use that term very losely. Well...we all are, if you accept the official story, you believe that 14 hijackers conspired to do this. You are a conspiracy theorist. I believe this event has yet to be fully investigated. I'll leave it at that.
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    There were PATH & NYC subway stations that were below the WTC site. When the WTC towers went down the infrastructure below the Towers was largly destroyed this would have weakened the foundation below WTC 7. A large building with an unstable foundatuin is in trouble.
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    Building 7, the 3rd collapse, is very suspiciously a controlled demolition. Look at the way it fell, look at the straight, precise diagonal cuts on the beams afterward indicating demolition, the owner himself said they "decided to pull it", a demolition term. Except... the owner didn't realize what he did in admitting that the building was "pulled".
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    I have always felt uncomfortable with the whole WTC... first why & how it fell and that there could have been a conspiracy.. it has always created a conundrum for me. I am not an engineer, but have discussed it with several who are and they also are not all that comfortable either.
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    Based on not just what we did to US liberties and Iraq after 9-11, and this current economic collapse which I believe is deliberate... it is eerily similar to 1930's Germany after Hitler attacked his own legislative building, used that to curtail liberties, and also the financial crisis in Germany during that time.
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    #24 Jersey

    That picture is awesome. I wonder if Ed Norton and Helena Bonham-Carter were standing in the skyscraper across the way watching it burn while "Where is my Mind" by the Pixies is playing in the background.
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    how dare you connect Bush and Hitler!

    Next thing you know you'll be telling me how Prescott Bush helped bankroll the nazi regime...

    whats that?

    Oh......it DID HAPPEN?



    then why aren't you wearing a falg lapel pin? do you hate the troops? Tax cuts, gay marriage.....abortion.....
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    Like Obama doesn't work for the same interests? The people in your TV have a lot to teach you, grasshopper.
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    #12 Jersey

    You may be right.

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    with that stupid picture, are you suggesting Obama more resembles Hitler than that past 4 fascist administrations?
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    Obama's ability to prevent buildings from collapsing isn't automatic right?

    'Cause, you know, every now and again they do that on purpose.

    Oh btw, the term for controlled demolition of a building is to "shoot" it. "Pulling" it has nothing to do with causing it to collapse, its about bringing it down in a safe direction. If there's a good direction for the building to fall and a bad one and they ain't quite certain demoing it will bring it down in the good direction, really big cables are used to "pull" it to the safe side very much like the way lumberjacks bring down trees.
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    That still doesn't explain the perfect demolition fall it took (look at video), as well as the straight diagonal cuts on the support beams examined afterward, indicative of a textbook controlled demolition.
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    Since the WTC main towers were slugged with jet fuel, and the China building burned mostly on it's own, I would imagine the temp in the WTC would have been quite a lot higher.
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    The Jews did it.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a couple of 747's crash into the WTC 1 and 2 buildings with bellies full of jet fuel?
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    What are you "just saying?" That you are ignorant as to the huge differences between the WTC building that collapsed in NYC and the building in Beijing?

    Well, let me help you out.

    • Each of the WTC buildings had a Boaing 737 slam into tham going at a speed of over 500 MPH. That's 171,000 lbs of steel and aluminum that slammed into each building.
    • The two WTC buildings were 110 stories tall. The building in Beijing? 34 stories.
    • Each 737 had almost 18,000 gallons of get fuel on board when they hit. Jet fuel, in case you didn't know, burns at well over 2200 degrees. Steel looses its structural integrity at 1200 degrees.
    • The WTC buildings had emergency generators in the upper floors of the buildings. The lines of diesel fuel ran from the basement up through the building to the floors where those generators were. Those lines were damaged as well and added more fuel to the fire. Most construction today puts the generators outside the building with the wires running up inside.
    • The WTC buildings were not of the same construction as that building. The WTC buildings were constructed of a tube steel outer skeleton with light-weight concrete on steel deck floors. When the planes hit, that skeleton was compromised.
    • The WTC used spray on fire retardant. Unfortunately, this sort of fire retardant loses its properties over time, particularly when exposed to humitidity. Once it loses those properties, it actually helps a fire grow instead of hampering it.
    In case you were wondering how I know this. I am an insurance engineer and the company I work for is, arguably, the leading company in fire prevention and protection technology in the world. The company actually turned down insuring the WTC buildings because of what the company felt was several glaring deficiencies. Including the fire retardant.
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    cool story.

    THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT THE WTC *LINK*

    We have assumed that the entire quantity of jet fuel from the aircraft was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction.

    We have found that it is impossible the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor beyond 280° C (536° F).

    Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.

    It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.

    "In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."





    where are you getting your statistics on jet fuel burn temperature? Is it from Popular Science?

    very popular...
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    When Hitler burned down the Reichstag it was clamed on the COMMUNISTS and a commy was found and hanged. Years later it's widely acknowledged the Nazis were behind it and used it to remove liberties and rights.

    Replace communist with arab, Nazi with neocon
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    I think you mean Popular Mechanics:

    But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

    "The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

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