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dryheat44 said:I don't ever remember that being a mandate. When did they decide that?
PlattsFan said:JAX wins the AFC South. You heard it here first.
AzPatsFan said:I'll second that, but I have been forcasting a Clots collapse for a long time.
5 Rings for Brady!! said:Speak of the troll!
Okay, let's see:
1) You are be definition, a troll. Not by my creation, but by the fact that you show up on a Pats site as a non-Pats fan. There are good trolls and then there are annoying trolls, of course.
2) I don't think I said "easy" 6 game win streak, except the game against the Pats 3rd string, of course. The 'clicking on all cylinders' does not seem all that different from your 'meeting obstacles', that's the teamwork it takes to win any game in this league
3) I didn't say you have no talent. On the other thread were you ****ed out of backing up your position on 15 QBs doing what Brady did, I told you that Miami has at the very least had a statistically better average Defense and running game then the Pats 2001-2005. I also think you have WR and TE talent which probably could hang with some of the guys we used to win superbowls, like Dave Patten, ect. That was why I concluded that Brady could very well have brought a ring to Miami by now.
4) I don't knock Culpepper by suggesting he will go to the Pro Bowl, do I? I have watched this guy from day one of his career, and he chokes whenever he is called upon to step up. I didn't invent the ups and downs of his career, like the times he was benched and booed relentlessly in his home stadium. I just haven't seen him do much when the game is on the line.
5) I am a Homer, and so are you. What's your point, Mr. Troll?
6) I have gone out of my way on multiple threads now to agree that Miami improves with Culpepper, but he has not yet showed what it takes to win playoff games, let alone a superbowl.
The Pats HC and QB may not have proven to be superbowl winners in 2001, but I fail to see your big point here. They now have three, and I am banking on five before it is all said and done. I suppose you didn't know that those Giants superbowls were won mainly on Defense. Or that Parcells stayed the hell out of Belichick's way, when it came to defense.
feelthepain said:As for the last game against the Pats, you don't know if the score would have been any different had the starters played, because you're not psychic. Miami plays the Pats tough and the Pats play the fins tough. It's the way it is.
It's a division game. No matter who starts in NE, they still no the fins tendencies. Did you ever stop to think Miami would have played harder had the Pats played their starters?? Don't you think it was a bit of a mental letdown by the fins when the Pats pulled their starters?? I think that has some effect on the effort given by the fins.
Aqua4Ever04 said:If you think that Miami will only win 9 and that the Pats will win 13, you are in for a rude awakening my friend. Miami is a MUCH better team than last year's 9-7 team. They are undoubtedly going to improve.
patsox23 said:I was with some of the phin fans re: their record next year - until this. This is idiotic. Yes, the Pats and phins have played close games in the past, but you almost lost to our 2nd and 3rd stringers. I suggested you avoid points like this one - it tends to downgrade other of your arguments that actually make sense.
dryheat44 said:You're not going to beat Pittsburgh at Heinz with the emotion of opening day and raising the Super Bowl banner.
Brady-To-Branch said:Miami could win that game if Ben is still recovering (a rearranged face and a dental overhaul can take a while to heal in the context of playing football) and Charlie Batch starts. Remember, Miami caught the Broncos at week ~1 and the Pats at week ~ 17 and won both games.
patsox23 said:I was with some of the phin fans re: their record next year - until this. This is idiotic. Yes, the Pats and phins have played close games in the past, but you almost lost to our 2nd and 3rd stringers. I suggested you avoid points like this one - it tends to downgrade other of your arguments that actually make sense.
Brady-To-Branch said:Miami could win that game if Ben is still recovering (a rearranged face and a dental overhaul can take a while to heal in the context of playing football) and Charlie Batch starts. Remember, Miami caught the Broncos at week ~1 and the Pats at week ~ 17 and won both games.
My problems with Miami are...
* O-line: Miami picked up a couple of castoffs from The Jags (Mike Pearson) and the Bills (Bennie Anderson).
* QB: Culpepper showed he wasn't as good as his 2004 stats suggest, had a terrible 2005, and hasn't played since the knee injury. His record against teams with winning records speaks for itself. Having Joey Harrington on my team is not something I would want to admit in public.
* Defense: two of their pillars, Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor, are in their 30s as well as Fred Carter and Vonnie Holliday. 3/4 of the starting D-line is over 30. In 2005 the Dolphins ranked 18th in Total Defense and 15th in Scoring Defense. Against the Pass, Miami ranked 16th in Yard Per Attempt and 22nd in Opponents QB Rating. I doubt Will Allen (who was mediocre with the Giants) and Jason Allen will make that much of a difference. Miami did finish 2nd in QB sacks, but they ranked 8th in most Opponent Pass Attempts.
* 2005 Draft: Jason Allen had a serious hip injury in 2005. That's a risk in the 1st round regardless of workouts. I'm wondering if they were hoping for CB Tye Hill or Safety Donte Whitner (or DT Brodrick Bunkley?) to fall to them at 16. That Saban took Allen that high is indicative of how he feels about his secondary. The WRs Miami took are unlike to make an impact, unless you think Chad Jackson will also help the Pats. Derek Hagan was dropping balls in Senior Bowl practice, at the Senior Bowl game, at the Combine, and at private workouts. If it wasn't for that, he would have been a 1st round pick.
Overall, the Dolphins are depending on too many unproven young players to have breakout seasons. That such a team can challenge the Patriots is unlikely.
Yes it does. You had a good streak towards the end but face it you guys tried your best to beat a team that didnt even care, we didnt want to win, we wanted the Jaguars at home, so that meant we had to lose. Brady threw a pick to start it off...ok. Brady tosses a TD to Deion Branch nice and easy. Honestly then you met Matt Cassel who may have only played five minutes in his rookie season until this time. The second and third stringers struggled against the Miami starters as you would expect, but for the defensive starters of Miami to allow two passing touchdowns from Matt Cassel in minutes remaining....thats pretty poor. Put it this way, we choose to do a freakin drop kick. Dont even act like we were trying to be serious and win that game.Aqua4Ever04 said:First off, our first team was beating up on your first team until you guys decided to pull the plug on that idea.
Secondly, winning is winning in the NFL. Just because we ALMOST lost doesn't mean anything. Remember 2004 when we (a 2-11 scrub team at the time) beat you guys (the super bowl champions?) Things happen in football, that's why they play the game.
feelthepain said:Is there no surprise you mention nothing positive about anything the fins have done??? Not to anyone who isn't a Pat fan. Again....care to go over the question marks surrounding the 2001 Pats??? No, why??? Because if the Pats can overcome their issues and win a SB, then there is no reason to think the Fins won't. Unless, you're a Pat fan who refuses to face the fact they they aren't the only team in the league to ever go into a season wiht a bunch of question, yet come away champions. You Pat fans just don't even want to think about that, so you find every reason in the world to discount the fins. It's obvious.
Kdo5 said:, but for the defensive starters of Miami to allow two passing touchdowns from Matt Cassel in minutes remaining....thats pretty poor. Put it this way, we choose to do a freakin drop kick. Dont even act like we were trying to be serious and win that game.
Aqua4Ever04 said:Didn't we get a whole new secondary? Every single player from last year's starting secondary is no longer a starter here. Another area we have vastly improved.