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    Jerry Beach has just written a book called Fighting Words: The Media, The Red Sox and How Boston Finally Won It All. The book focuses on the relationship between the Boston Red Sox and the Boston media but was originally going to be about the Boston media and all four pro sports teams. What may be of interest to Pats fans is that there was originally going to be a chapter devoted to the relationship between the Boston media and the Patriots. That ended up not being included in the book, but the author does talk about what he was prepared to include on his blog/website: Fighting Words The Director's Cut: The Patriots Chapter (Part One)

    Although it is a somewhat lengthy column, I thought it was very good read. Interesting to note at the very end of the column was a quote by the Globe's Nick Cafardo - he had Mike Reiss' position with the paper before the Globe hired Reiss - about how Bill Parcells would spend time with reporters in off-the-record sessions after press conferences. Cafardo goes on to talk about how Parcells was "very entertaining" and "would always fill up your notebook."

    Following in Parcells footsteps, it's not a surprise that the media excoriates Belichick; they lust for another Parcells.
     
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    I think it's more of a generational thing more than anything. Everyone I know 40 and under prefers football to baseball and Patriots to Red Sox. The problem with the older sportswriters/sportscasters in Boston besides being the ugliest group of social misfit mopes on earth is all they ever cared about was the damn Red Sox therefore the only thing ever covered was the damn Red Sox. Patriots rarely got any coverage untill the Parcell's years and even then it paled in comparison to the RS.
     
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    Fighting Words The Director's Cut: The Patriots Chapter (Part Two) focuses on Belichick in Cleveland and his dealing with the media there, up to Robert Kraft hiring him to coach the Pats. If you ever wondered why the national media doesn't care for BB, look no further than the media in Cleveland. If I'm not mistaken I recall Michael Holley saying something to the effect that so many Cleveland writers spoke so badly about BB, that he (Holley) already formed a negative opinion about Belichick before he had coached his first game. Their dislike for him was so strong that they actually contacted Kraft to try to convince him to not hire Belichick.

     
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    The Globe owns a piece of the Saux...what more needs to be said
     
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    Fighting Words The Director's Cut: The Patriots Chapter (Part Three) takes a look at BB and the injury report, dealing with the media post-spygate, and the Patriots organization as one that has been ahead of the curve with their website - in order to control the messages that were made public.

     
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    I've lived in MA for my whole life and I've always disliked the Red Sox and found the ridiculous attention they get annoying, especially during years when the Patriots are so great.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    I can't wait to read this book. I saw something about it a few weeks ago, and evidently, the author is an out-of-town guy (NY?) so he comes to the subject from a fresh perspective.

    That being said, I think the story had mentioned that the book does center on the Sox and the media - - and that he tried to get Belichick to interview, but was rebuffed - -therefore, less on the Pats.
     
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    #61 Jersey

    The whole Bankofamericasox vs. Patriots argument is old and tired and not as "real" as the agenda-driven mediots want it to be. Baseball is an anachronism clinging to stale life in a very in-bred parochial city. Outside Boston city limits the Patriots rule all of New England.
     
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    I understand football is huge right now, but lets not forget that this is and HAS always been a baseball city. The Sox have been the big team in this town for over 100 years. The Patriots haven't been around even half that long and have only been great in the last decade. Let's not blow this out of proportion.
     
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    Good point I hadn't thought of. When you think of the Globe old-timers and how little they know about football, it does explain something.

    I'm a huge Sox fan, but I've grown weary of "Sox-nation" and its self-importance. Honestly, once we won the Series in 04, everything changed and it never will be the same. The truth is as I see it: football is a more entertaining sport, the Patriots are a better team to root for, and now that the obsession w/ breaking the curse is over, its a little less exciting rooting for the sox.
     
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    A team that has been around for a hundred years, plays nightly 6 months a year. A new story every night.
    Verses
    16 games, once per week and a front office that ignores the media.... it's not too complicated
     
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    It's a latent manifestation of the self-flagellating Puritan ethic handed down from generation to generation, perpetuating the subconscious belief that you're not happy unless you're miserable. Thankfully, we're seeing indications of that odd element of Boston sports culture changing, slowly but surely. When fossils like Dan Shaughnessy and Peter Gammons finally move on and Fenway Park succumbs to the wrecking ball, improvement will accelerate.

    Yeah, right -- if you actually enjoy watching paint dry every night for six months.
     
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    I think it's pretty sad that people have such low attention spans today that they can't enjoy sports like baseball and golf.
     
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    Also, I might add that they are the two "it" franchises.

    In 2007, the most watch TV in the fall was:

    Pats Chargers
    Pats Cowboys
    Pats Colts
    Pats Steelers
    Pats Giants

    The Red Sox are equally universal. As someone who doesn't live in Massachusetts, anymore, it's obvious they are both universal.
     
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    #12 Jersey

    I will admit I am a diehard Red Sox fan.

    I make my living doing football games, and consider myself a true Patriots fan, but mt heart is 100% Red Sox.

    I've been to Pats TC once a year for 5 or 6 years, never saw them play in Foxboro in my life, yet I've spent almost all of March for years Fort Myers watching every Red Sox spring trianing game I could.
    I've seen at least 100 games at Fenway over the past couple of years and would see more if possible,
     
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    Why do you think it has to do with "attention span"? Baseball is dull and tradition-bound. Look around you next time you're at Fenway. About half the people don't even pay attention to what's happening on the field. You know why? Because most of the time, NOTHING IS HAPPENING. FYI, golf is not a sport, it's a recreation.
     
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    Yet in the last 90 years the Pats still have more championships. Wait a minute, do you work for the Globe?
     
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    Dictionary.com:
    Sport:
    an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
     
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    Which team has been relevant for the longer period of time? The Red Sox have had similar success to the Pats in the last decade, the difference is that the Sox had been around and fairly competitive for a long long time.
     
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    Please tell me this is a joke. It has nothing to do with attention spans. Watching a slow-moving baseball game is not hard, it's BORING. Even the players, all they do is sit or stand around 90 percent of the time. And now you've got these ridiculous pitch counts and the managers going to the bullpen setting up righty vs lefty and then bringing in a new pitcher for lefty vs righty.

    Golf is the same way. Swing a club, watch him walk 500 feet. Swing the club again.
     
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