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    Last night on NEST Felger commented on the first rounddraft choices of the BB/Scott era.

    He declared all of them a success. Said that it is unusual to hit on all 7 of the #1's the way that they have.

    Just to refresh:

    2000- no first rounder
    2001- Seymour
    2002- Graham
    2003- Warren
    2004-1a Wilfork
    1B Watson
    2005- Mankins
    2006- Maroney.

    I was surprised to hear him declare Maroney a sucess as he has yet to play in a regular season NFL game. We all think that he will be special but I would think that we should see how his full rookie season goes before calling him a sucess.

    For those who like trivia- there are three other first round draft picks on the roster as of today. Can you name them?
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    Jonathan Sullivan, Junior Seau (as of tomorrow), Chad Scott, and Tebucky Jones.

    Tebucky was the 22nd overall pick by the Pats in 1998.

    Scott was the 24th overall pick by the Steelers in 1997.

    Seau was the 5th overall pick by the Chargers in 1990.

    Sullivan was the 6th overall pick by the Saints in 2003.
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    Jonathan Sullivan
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    Warfield?
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    Dillon was a 2nd rounder.

    Warfield was a 7th rounder.
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    Chad Brown was a 2nd rounder.

    ...funny how we all forget Tebucky was a 1st rounder.
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    I've seen the right answers now (the database crapped out so I had to copy and paste after it came back up), so I was only off by Chad Brown/Scott. I was close!

    "hmm.. Corey was in the 2nd, so it's not him. It's not our OL, so scratch them. I don't think Reche was a 1st rounder (2nd or 3rd I believe).. Our DL are almost exclusively draft choices or UDFAs, LBs... Chad Brown maybe? Rodney wasn't a first rounder (5th?).. Hrm, I'm having a hard time coming up with the other guys. Colvin was a 4th rounder I think..

    oh, one was Sullivan. So Sullivan, Chad Brown, oh... and Tebucky was one of our first rounders back when he was drafted (I think he was one of two first rounders along with Robert Edwards that season?).

    Sullivan, Tebucky, Chad Brown?"
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    What is the BB/Pioli success rate in the second round???

    I high degree of hits in the first two rounds usually spells long term success. Provided you have the right QB.
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    Incorrect!
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    Tebucky, Scott, and Sullivan were all first rounders, how's that incorrect? Unless Seau wasn't one.

    Tebucky, Scott, Sullivan was it right?
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    Wasn't Adrian Klemm a BB pick? He was as close to a 1st rounder as one could get.

    What a waste of space that SOB was.
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    Let's see, the ones I can think of:
    Matt Light, Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill, Deion Branch, Adrian Klemm.. so it looks pretty homerun or miss there.
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    That's right. He didn't answer the question that was asked so his answer was incorrect. It wasn't wrong- it was incorrect. I'm such a ********!:rofl:

    EDIT: I was trying to think of a HC who has coached for the same years 2000-2006. the only one I could come up with is Cowher. I don't know how his record is for the same period vs BB.
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    You biznitcheyotch! lol

    Hey I did alright off the top of my head, just had the Chad's confused.
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    In perspective, that list is tremendous when you think about blowing it on two top 10 picks in the same year as in the past......i.e.

    Ray Agnew

    Chris Singleton
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    yes. if i remember correctly, and i think i'm correct, on that year we hadn't a first round and we took Klemm on the 2nd round with our first pick
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    I wouldn't call Watson a success yet. Let's see more playing time and consistency.

    This is nice, but you should hit on your first rounders.

    Just cause other teams suck at talent evaluations, let's not lower our standards.

    Why's Felgie so cheery today?
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    Oh, just for the fun of it:

    First Round Picks:

    2000 - (none)
    2001 - Seymour
    2002 - Graham
    2003 - Warren
    2004 - Wilfork, Watson
    2005 - Mankins
    2006 - Maroney

    Second Round Picks:

    2000 - Klemm
    2001 - Light
    2002 - Branch
    2003 - Wilson, B. Johnson
    2004 - Hill
    2005 - (none)
    2006 - Jackson

    Third Round Picks:

    2000 - Redmond
    2001 - Brock Williams
    2002 - (none)
    2003 - (none)
    2004 - G. Scott
    2005 - Hobbs, Kaczur
    2006 - Thomas

    Fourth Round Picks:

    2000 - Robinson-Randall
    2001 - K. Jones, Holloway
    2002 - Davey, Green
    2003 - Klecko, Samuel
    2004 - Reid, Cobbs
    2005 - Sanders
    2006 - Mills, Gostkowski

    Fifth Round Picks:

    2000 - Stachelski, Marriott
    2001 - Akbar
    2002 - (none)
    2003 - Koppen
    2004 - Sam
    2005 - Claridge
    2006 - O'Callaghan

    Sixth Round Picks:

    2000 - Harris, Brady, Nugent
    2001 - Love, Myers
    2002 - (none)
    2003 - Kingsbury
    2004 - (none)
    2005 - (none)
    2006 - Mincey, Stevenson, Smith

    Seventh Round Picks:

    2000 - Tisdale, Pass
    2001 - Pochman, Turner
    2002 - Womack, Givens
    2003 - Nead, Banta-Cain, Kelley
    2004 - Morton
    2005 - Cassel, Stokes
    2006 - Andrews
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    Well, the 2000 first rounder, in essence, drafted Bill Belichick. That one worked out well too.
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    Bravo! That should stickyed for future reference.
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    I'm not surprised that one #1 was overlooked.

    In 2000 we had no #1 draft pick. It was awarded to the NY Jets in exchange for the services of... Head Coach Bill Belichick.

    So the correct roll call is Belichick, Seymour, Graham, Warren, Wilfork, Watson and Maroney. Other #1 picks include Jones, Scott, Sullivan and if we sign him, Seau.

    He was the REAL 2000 #1 Draft Pick. So far of the picks we have two certain Hall Of Famers and all the others others are major contributors.


    PS: Oops someone beat me to that observation. sorry!
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    I realize you say that we shouldn't compare the Patriots to others, but it's a little unfair to Belioli to just shrug about the first rounders. When you look at first rounds historically there are a lot of busts and they are putting an impressive list together. From the second round on, though, their success rate is probably no better than average.
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    I've always thought it unfair to label every first rounder who doesn't make it a "bust." I think of "bust" as a situation where the player is not what the drafting team thinks they were. Some guys don't make it because of injuries. KiJana Carter, for example, just had injuries.

    Now Katzenmoyer and everyone's favorite first rounder, Chris Canty ...
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    BF,

    I 'd say that is not quite accurate. Certainly, their success rate is proportional to the # of choices that the Patriots have, and I have no quibble about that. But after the Bobby Grier years, the contrast is stark.

    BB and SP have been careful to husband their own choices, and secure others, every year. Most draft days they have a "draft and a half", or a "double draft" of picks to make. That is due to conscious forbearance, and lack of yielding to "panic" as so many Chicken Littles here are prone to do. So if they are only average in pick success, they still end up with more talent from more picks.

    Both have also recognized that there are other sources of players as well. They have secured good players from among vet FAs, UDFA rooks, PS graduates, and selected trades to fill obvious, residual unmet needs.

    Both have said the want to be competitive every year, and obtained buy-in from the Owner. That does not allow for a stock-up for a single year's push. The Titans among others, did that, and have paid the price for the past few losing years.
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    After looking at the whole list I'd have to agree.


    We didn't exactly nail it every year in round 2 and three has been a problem.

    I really mean top 15, for example.

    No excuse for trading up for a John Sullivan for example. I wonder how thorough that background check was?

    Of course Red Auerbach was the best too and he was saying how Bias was a good character guy who didn't do drugs while they were pulling a cocaine rock the size of a baseball from his car.:rolleyes:
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    The first round success is obvious.

    The Second Round success i spretty good too.

    Consider:

    BB/SP have drafted Klemm, Light, Branch, Wilson, BJ, Hill and CJ in the second round.

    Of that contingent Hill and CJ merit INCompletes, although Hill has been a disapointment, so far. Of all the others, only BJ and Klemm haven't become perpetual starters. Klemm's intrinsic talent is evident and he still is in the league, six years later although injury bad luck has dogged his career. When healthy, he has started and played.

    BJ has flashed as a returner, but has not really developed as a WR. No one was a pure wipeout bust, unable to make the jump to the NFL by a lack of talent. Think of some of Grier's picks like Canty, Simmons or Floyd who wore the uniform but never played, at all, before being cut.

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