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  1. DarrylS

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    Interesting story in the Navy Times this AM, show how Saddam was hostile towards muslim extremists and did not trust them..

    FBI records: Saddam was hostile to al-Qaida - Navy News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Navy Times

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    Saddam was a nice guy, the NY Times and The Huffington Post flew their flags at half mast when he was pronounced dead.
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    Yeah that little fact is one of many that got disappeared in the run up to war. Muslim faithful don't even have one palace by and large, let alone dozens and they certainly don't insist on adulation for themselves, hero worship is reserved for just one entity.

    Like any other criminal he found religion only when it was time to pay the piper.
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    We would have been better off with Saddam in power.
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    Yeah, the 300,000 in mass graves because of his directed genocide agree.
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    Exactly, many people realized that after we went to war with him, I am one of them.
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    I think he said "We" meaning us and not them. How is killing his own people "genocide". Don't you have to kill some people other than your own to qualify. Not defending the guy- he was a class-A prick- but just wondering why you use the language you do.

    And you miss the point of the thread. The government and the military acted on our behalf to slaughter innocent people who had done nothing to us. Problem is that we and Congress were apparently given bogus information and denied the truth ramping up to this treasonous act and both were done intentionally. That's bad.
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    Gendercide Watch: The Anfal Campaign (Iraqi Kurdistan), 1988

    The War Crimes of Saddam Hussein
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    Thanks for that link. I'm about to split hairs here, which I hate. The article you cite emphasizes "gendercide" referring to the seeming elimination of Kurdish males and seems to almost grudgingly use the term genocide, but I get it. There is very little difference in the terms for me.

    Another hair to split is your number of dead. The Kurds themselves claim "only" 182,000. The irrelevance of the number was described well in this passage from the article:

    "When Kurdish leaders met with Iraqi government officials in the wake of the spring 1991 uprising, they raised the question of the Anfal dead and mentioned a figure of 182,000 -- a rough extrapolation based on the number of destroyed villages. Ali Hassan al-Majid reportedly jumped to his feet in a rage when the discussion took this turn. 'What is this exaggerated figure of 182,000?' he is said to have asked. 'It couldn't have been more than 100,000' -- as if this somehow mitigated the catastrophe that he and his subordinates had visited on the Iraqi Kurds." (Iraq's Crime of Genocide, pp. 14, 230.)

    But once again, we find our habit of arming crazy people coming around to bite us in the ass. The US bears a very heave burden of responsibility. Our support of Hussein through the Anfal was disgusting and senseless. We would have been better off in the long run if we had taken the Iranians side in the Iran-Iraq war, IMO. Even with their kooky leader and their stupid religion (redundant), I think I would trust the Persians over the Bathists after reading your links:

    The international community must accept a share of the blame for Saddam's genocide against the Iraqi Kurds. For the duration of the Iran-Iraq war -- which also witnessed most of the horrors against the Kurds -- Saddam was considered an important bulwark against the spread of Iranian-style Islamic fundamentalism to the strategic and oil-rich countries of the Middle East. Accordingly, the West supplied and armed him throughout his campaigns against both the Iranians and the Kurds, eventually providing the critical intelligence information that allowed Iraq to emerge victorious in the war against Iran. In August 1988 -- with the Anfal campaign nearly over, and in the wake of a year-and-a-half of vicious chemical attacks on civilian populations -- "the United Nations Sub-Committee on Human Rights voted by 11 votes to 8 not to condemn Iraq for human rights violations. Only the Scandinavian countries, Australia and Canada, together with bodies like the European Parliament and the Socialist International, saved their honour by clearly condemning Iraq." (Nezan, "When our 'friend' Saddam was gassing the Kurds".)


    Thanks for those links- seriously. I learned a lot. But I am still of the opinion that the Iraq II was unnecessary and treasonous, especially considering that we essentially created the monster. We never learn and our best youth pay for it with their lives and broken bodies...not to mention the civilians who "get in the way".
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    Guess the 100,000 woman and children killed(collateral damage) wasn't that bad afterall... coupled with the complete destruction of the Iraq infrastructure, which we now have to rebuild.. thank you to the defense contractors.

    To try to justify what we did, how much money we spent, how many soldiers died and are maimed is epic fail.. as we are silent on other atrocities around the world.. guess the Iraqi's were just a lucky bunch.:rolleyes:;)
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    The biggest "duh" in the history of intelligence that was completely ignored and engineered by the "political currents" of the time. Any ME analyst worth their salt knew that Saddam hated extremists and had extreme distrust of Al Qaeda. The transparent goal of these groups was to get rid of guys like Saddam.

    Example 34783 why the politicization of intelligence is a very bad idea.
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    There's also the Marsh Arabs, who were reduced from 250,000 to about 40,000 I believe... so cut that number in half if you want and you already have 200,000. Just on those parts alone. Then there's 1991 to 2003.
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    You can't combine genocides! There are rules to this. Still don't think you've justified the dead Americans and Iraqis from Iraq II.
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    Strictly on the numbers game, or American lives having more weight than others?
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    American lives having more weight than others. What else is there to wars? Did Patton or MacArthur ever worry about the lives they destroyed?

    Just kidding...

    Justifying war when there is no threat. We should not be the world's police. We can't afford it in terms of cost in money and lives and security risk overall. We would not have gone to war if Germany invaded India and the Japanese bombed Bunos Aries instead of Pearl.
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    Saddam also admitted that Iraq had meetings with Al Queda.
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    Maybe in the paranoid fantasy land you live in but in the real world its a LIE.
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