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    M-16's, in case Boston comes under a "Mumbai-like terrorist attack":

    FBI: Arm Boston Police With Assault Rifles - Boston News Story - WCVB Boston

    Thankfully Mumbles is against this ;) but wtf. Our local neighborhood cops are becoming militarized.

    This was a Counterpunch link; it's a website by one of the Good Cops, warning his Bruthas In Blue, and perhaps would remind some of the past:
    Greg Evensen -- The Death of Liberty: The Final Scene Unfolds

    The demise of the old-time beat cop who knew everybody, was trusted and looked up to by everybody, and most importantly was respected by everybody, has been a huge loss to our communities imho. I think they still exist but it's getting harder and harder for them to keep that same heart.

    Law Enforcement doesn't trust us and in fact actually fears us, and we feel the same towards them.

    I wish we could feel like our police force supports us and that we support them, instead it's more and more about us vs them.It's a potentially very bad and really a very sad situation, with no real winners in sight.
     
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    Check out the poll, a majority think its a good idea. I think its crap...for **** sakes one terrorist attack in India means we need to arm policeman with semi-automatic weapons just in case the same thing happens to us? It would seem every terrorist attack around the world justifies further violation of privacy and new privelages to authorities.
     
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    As long as those on the right in this country insist on assault weapons being legal for everyone I think its baffelingly ignorant to expect the cops to not have some.

    I don't know enough about police work to say whether they should be walking around with them or not, as a guess I'd say most times no; but there certainly should be a locker in the station with plenty of 'em and plenty of cops who are trained to use them properly.
     
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    They already have them, the article has to do with how they are distributed.. do not believe they should be handed out to just any officer... with all the homeland security money and all most police Departments have been able to buy a pretty impressive array of firepower.
     
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    They can only carry them off-duty and then only to presidential speaking engagements. We're a nation of laws.
     
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    Does anyone seriously think terrorists will stage a ground assault in this country? Would assault rifles help shoot down large jets crashing into buildings? How would an assault rifle be useful when a biotoxin is released in the subway system?

    Who or what exactly would cops shoot with these assault rifles?

    I agreee, this is a ridiculous idea.
     
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    If we are attacked on the ground by Terrorists we should mobilize The Crips/Bloods to fight them, they have better guns than the Army or the Police.
     
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    Turn it into a reality show.
     
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    Only ones to get them would be their special operations unit which includes their SWAT team...the only ones who would be of need for the weapons.

    Remember the story a few months back about the cities and towns buying military surplus weapons for their regional SWAT needs, this is just another example building off of that.
     
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    I'd like to shoot somebody in the face with a shotgun before I die.
     
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    My thoughts:

    * The police should have M-16's available. If ordinary citizens are going to have them, or gangs in the streets (Dorchester AK-47's) are shooting people up with them, the cops should have them too. Anyone remember that bank heist in LA a while back, where those dudes dressed in body armor, with armor piercing assault rifles, were blowing away the underarmed cops? Should a biotoxin hit us, and martial law is imposed, or people are evactuated, there could be mass looting, or chaos in certain area's. The cops should be armed sufficiently.

    * Even though I believe the cops should be armed, I do feel that a part of this is massive overkill. It's a means for the cops to either get new toys, more funding, or expand their citizen stomping ideology. Think of it as the MIC meets the BPD.

    * I'm with whoever it was that said something about them being available, or locked up at the station, but not handed out to everyone.
     
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    Assault rifles are so based on their design to fire automatically.

    People generally have M-16 lookalikes called AR-15 which look every bit the same as a military rifle but with one big difference: they only fire semi-automatically.

    As someone who was in the Army, that's a big difference.

    Semi-automatic=one pull of the trigger one discharge of a round.
    Automatic=one pull of the trigger unleashes a volley of rounds, called "rocking and rollin'."

    Calling an AR-15 like the guy had in Arizona an assault rifle just shows the ignorance of the newsmedia and weeny liberals who couldn't survive two weeks in the wild.
     
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    Another half assed generalization, as know many "weeney" tightie righties, who cannot go into the woods without a starbucks, never mind survive... the back to the woods movement has little to do with political affiliation.. it has to do with loving the "wild" and understanding your place in it... the AR-15 is not a weapon usually associated with people in the woods.
     
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    Unfortunately, all you hear about are the bad things that the cops do.. You very rarely hear about the good things. A perfect example is what happened in Cambridge.

    One of the problems that I feel is out there is the silent oath that police officers have in that they protect their own. How many true stories have come out about dirty cops and the fact they were dirty for decades and such. If police officers did, in fact, police their own, then I think that there would be a lot more trust in them.

    On the other hand, why should the cops trust us. How many times have we read about police officers being shot or gunned down only to have them demonized? How many times have police tried to do their jobs only to be stone walled by the public because they didn't tell the cops what they saw? And then they turn around and blame the cops because the cops didn't so anything..

    The reality is that, far too often, people don't report what they see when a crime occurs. They "don't want to get involved." Because they are afraid for their life. But at some point, they need to realize that the only way they can stop being afraid is to get the slime off the streets.. We, as citizens, are just as responsible for the crime that goes on as the police officers.. And its our duty to report to the police what we see.. The fact that so many people don't is a travesty.
     
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    WOW.. You call his statement a half-assed generalization and reply with this garbage?

    The reality is that most people who don't go hiking, camping, fishing, or do other backwoods activities wouldn't survive in the woods even if they had an AR-15 or an M-16.

    The AR-15, while it is a semi-automatic weapon when manufactured, can and has been turned into an automatic weapon on many occasions. All you need is a decent gunsmith or access to the internet..

    Now, Boston is one of the major cities in the United States. I think that is something we can all agree on. It has its own SWAT team. However, Unlike NYC, LA, DALLAS, ATLANTA, I don't believe that the Boston SWAT team is armed with "assault rifles" or even AR-15s, but I could be wrong. Now, the scenario talked about, a terrorist attack similar to Mumbai, is a very interesting situation. Why? Because a land-based terrorist attack similar to Mumbai is a jurisdictional nightmare. Does it fall under the local government, the state government or the Federal government? If it falls under the state or local government, then the military can't act without being asked. And that would leave it up to the local police and the National Guard, once they were mobilized. But, by that time, there could be hundreds or even thousands dead.. Including under-armed police officers..

    So, the question is, what do you do? Do you bring Boston's Police Special Ops teams up to par with those in the rest of the nation or do you wait and rely on the response of the local or state government, which we know can be very slow and could cost hundreds or thousands their lives?
     
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    View the context before you knee jerk.. was responding to our resident half truther who claimed that liberals could not exist in the wilderness, because some blogger identified the gun in question as an M-16.. not an AR-15.. there is no argument that police should be armed, in fact agreement.. the argument had to do with State's assertion that the left could not survive in the wilderness due to identification of these rifles... pay attention.

    Welcome to this forum, but read the whole thing before you react and generalize.. we have enough folks who feed the pot of hysteria on a regular basis.
     
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    Darryl - I viewed the context and there was nothing knee-jerk about my response to your imbecilic post. In the posts I've read of yours, you generalize more than most people.. That's a statement of opinion, not a generalization..

    You clearly need to follow your own advice and pay attention. My follow up comments weren't directed towards you, but to the subject in general. Otherwise, I'd have put your screen name in my paragraphs and asked you directly. And I didn't..

    Also, Darryl, I've been in and out of the political forums since I started coming to Patsfans.com back in 2003. So, instead of giving advice all over the place, why don't you start following it instead.. Or are you one of those hypocrites who follow the "do what I say, not what I do" mantra?
     
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    Next time will just bow down to the almighty.. but FYI here is the question you asked..

    Which I replied to early on in this discussion that these should be available and in the hands of the swat team.. somehow State made a comment regarding how the left could not survive in the wild...
     

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