Welcome to PatsFans.com

Fatal Flaw: no real pass rusher

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by R_T26, Nov 16, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. R_T26

    R_T26 Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    1,428
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Sorry this team will not win a super bowl until they get a pure passrusher that teams gameplan against. Our corners are playing pretty good considering qb's have plenty of time to throw the ball. There were about 5 plays where brady threw a bad pass because he was nervous about the pass rush. Burgess and nincovich did not scare manning yesterday. Teams dont have to compensate for our dline. Imagine this team with a real paasrush presence on the edge? Instead are 4 man line should not even waste their breath on pasd plays, their rush is futile.
  2. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    3,328
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    that's tully's job and he went down early playing special teams.
  3. R_T26

    R_T26 Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    1,428
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    Lly has played above expectations, but teams dont go in obsessed with containing tully, nor do qbs hear footsteps when tully is out there.
  4. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    12,376
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    Nice line.

    Losing TBC obviously hurt, but you're right. We went into the season with the pass rush as our biggest defensive need, and it has burned us all season. It burned us against the Jets, it burned us against Denver, and it burned us against Indy ... we'd likely be 9-0 and in control of the AFC if we could get pressure on opposing QBs.
  5. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    3,328
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    this where i think the pats should have just payed more money to get Greg Ellis here. All it would have took was another $1 million. instead we are stuck with burgess who is not an every down lineman.
  6. tombonneau

    tombonneau Rookie

    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    3,196
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    Good posting. To me, this was the one glaring takeaway from this game. With the game on the line, Mathis was winning the one-on-one battle and changing the game on one end forcing Brady to throw early, but on the other end, the Pats had no answer and Manning had all day with 4-5 rushers. That was the difference.
  7. letekro

    letekro Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,153
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    YUP. This problem is of course magnified when the Pats are on the road. The reason you need to get Indy on the road is not because Manning can't play outside, but because Freeney and Mathis are shells of the players they are inside that dome.
  8. reflexblue

    reflexblue PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2006
    Messages:
    17,226
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    I have been hesitant to say we'll go for a pass rushing because i wanted to see how the d-lineman panned out (pryor, brace) but i think it IS the biggest need going into the off season. The FA crop reads like a whos, who of football so BB could go that route, but if not i really want to see him go after one of those OLB you've been raving about.
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2009
  9. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    3,328
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    i also think part of the reason why we didn't rush Manning is because the thought that he would just burn us. You can't be blitzing this guy on every down. not when you are on the road in Indy.
  10. Ice_Ice_Brady

    Ice_Ice_Brady Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2006
    Messages:
    2,317
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +9 / 1 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    I was about to post the same thing. As the game moves to its final stages, quarterbacks get very comfortable in the pocket and figure out how to pick us apart. There is no pressure.
  11. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +40 / 2 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    The fact that Tully is missed as our big pass rusher says it all. And how many snaps did Thomas get last night ? I know I didn't notice him much.
  12. edboc

    edboc Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2008
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    The fatal flaws of this team that will prevent them from winning it all, as in the previous few seasons, as compared to the championship teams, are that they can't run effectively between the tackles with a RB that can break multiple tackles, and also have a defense that can make critical stops at the ends of games at a championship level. This could all change by the time the playoffs come with Taylor/Morris coming back, and hopefully improved pass rush and coverage, but it's pretty clear to see the difference between the '01, '03, '04 teams and the recent teams. This team is too offensive heavy and relies too much on Brady, where those championship teams were more balanced with the running game, and could make critical stops on defense.
  13. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,315
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    TBC would have been helpful, but the strength of this team is their rotation... when you take Warren, Green and TBC out of it.. the rotation gets weaker.

    We lament the lack of pass rush, or the lack of sacks... but we ran out of gas late, interestingly Seau did not play...
  14. R_T26

    R_T26 Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    1,428
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    Im not talking about blitzing. Im talking about a pass rusher that can force pressure using just a 4 man line.
  15. Jangles

    Jangles PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,490
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    Totally agree

    I haven't liked the Seymour trade since it happened and I still wish he was here
  16. SeymourTrophies

    SeymourTrophies Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2007
    Messages:
    1,085
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    Even if those guys do pan out, they are the same breed of d-lineman that has made our 4-man rush useless. We need a true edge rusher.

    TBC is our best pass rusher...:eek: He has improved, but all you really need to say is that he's far and away our best. I'd be interested in seeing Adalius do more on the end.
  17. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,718
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    You have to wonder if Banta Cain had not been injured and he had sacked Manning or pressured him into bad throws would BB have had more confidence in punting and letting the Colts get the ball back at thier own 20 or so.

    I do agree that unless Burgess or someone steps up and provides continuous pass pressure to the QB and happens soon this team is going NOWHERE in the playoffs...thats a 100% guarantee.

    No team has ever won a Super Bowl by letting opposing QBs have 4 or more seconds to find open receivers.
  18. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2009
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    That talk is ridiculous. Burgess was lights out last night.. he was pressuring Manning time and time again.

    We got a lot of pressure on Manning, even without Warren, TBC, and Ninkovitch.
  19. JSn

    JSn Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,449
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +32 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    QTF - DB seemed to finally join the team last night.
  20. reflexblue

    reflexblue PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2006
    Messages:
    17,226
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Fatal Flaw: no real passrusher

    TBC being our best pass rusher says a lot, he's good, above avg. but is not the answer.

    I'm interested in seeing if the young guys work out because if they do BB is more likely to take a pass rushing OLB. His history says he doesn't like drafting OLB's and if the new guys don't work out he'll take a D-lineman thats his HX.

    Personally i love watching pass rushers at work i would be thrilled if we took one in the draft, or sign one as a FA.

    As far as AD goes hes become a major dissapointment, maybe Baltimore new something when they chose to let him hit the market.
  21. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,424
    Likes Received:
    61
    Ratings:
    +82 / 1 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    He did great in quarters 1-3 but was completely take out in the 4th.
  22. JSn

    JSn Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,449
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +32 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Kinda like the rest of the D.
  23. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,424
    Likes Received:
    61
    Ratings:
    +82 / 1 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    Good ole Prevent Defense, baby! Prevents you from winning.
  24. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2009
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    With no serious pass rushers on the other side to balance him out (TBC and later Ninkovitch), that's only expected. They shifted the line to his side if you didn't notice.
  25. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,424
    Likes Received:
    61
    Ratings:
    +82 / 1 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    Sorry, but I didn't really see them worrying about Ninkovich when he was in there. TBC, yes. But not Ninkovich.
  26. SVN

    SVN Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    22,513
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    we had very good pass rush for 3 quarters for a banged up defense. We were spent in the end. Our offense couldve scored more pts but for the fumble and tried to effectively establish the running game but didnt . The d was worn out.
  27. JSn

    JSn Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,449
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +32 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I'd like that line if I hadn't first heard from Tubby Wrecks.

    This team plays Q4 scared. That's all I can think of. BB saw Manning owning the D and thought the conversion attempt was the lesser of two evils. I agree for more reasons than are being discussed here.

    I want to see classless wins and blowouts and wire-to-wire aggression. The school slut has better defense at the 11th hour than the Pats do.
  28. Bobs My Uncle

    Bobs My Uncle PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2005
    Messages:
    2,273
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #12 Jersey
    With our potent offense, which gets this team out into comfortable leads in many games, it would be very nice to have a defense that can be relied upon to get after, pressure and sack the opposing QB when they know that QB has no choice but to drop back and pass the ball.
  29. JMarr

    JMarr Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    2,317
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    We got nothing in the second half and Indy was in Brady's face the entire half. That was the difference in the game.

    BB usually finds ways to win in spite of it non-blitz pressure, but not last night. That's just the way it is.
  30. bronk37

    bronk37 Rookie

    Joined:
    May 13, 2006
    Messages:
    107
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    our pass rush has been gone since the eagles game in 07 when Colvin went down with injury. the pats need to adress it this offseason, woud have been really nice to get peppers.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page