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    I really have no idea what agenda these people criticising Moss have.

    Lets have a look at his lifetime season averages excluding this season and compare them to this season.


    Through 11 full seasons ----------This season through 13 games
    --------Yards 1200-------------------------- 1074
    ----------TDs 12------------------------------ 9
    ----------Rec. 76----------------------------- 60
    ------avg. Yards 15.7------------------------ 15.6


    As you can see he is on course to match if not beat his lifetime season averages. He hasn't said one word out of place, he is a team captain.

    I think we need to start some sort of special thread and put every idiot commentator in it and come back to them at the end of every season and let it be known that we New England Patriots fans are sick and tired of journalism for the stupid and demand intelligent writing/commentary from the local media.
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    You need to stop posting logical responses backed up by facts ..... People watched the game on Sunday and Randy Moss did not have 3 TD's in the rain .... so you sir are wrong.
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    That sounds good, but the media...both print and spoken.. thrives on half truths and hyperbole.. often the facts get lost in the hysteria.. everyone loves a scapegoat.
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    thank you farinella....someone had to call some of these guys out, too bad more names werent named....
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    "Stats are for losers," Belichick said. "The final score is for winners."

    What has Randy Moss ever won??
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    And Dan Marino? Chris Carter? Wes Welker?
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    Yeah and BB was talking about single game stats, not a whole season or career of stats. I'm making the very same point as BB but with statistics, if we win a game you can't criticise a receiver. If we lose a game you might have some basis for criticism but we are a team with a winning record and most likely headed to the postseason, Randy has had a great year, not his very best but certainly his second best in the last six years. And to think of all the looks he is missing out on because of a certain Mr. Wes Welker.
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    Tell us about his stats in the 2007 playoffs.
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    You're a right pain in the arse.
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    Frankly, you are holding back. It's rather gentlemanly of you. Perhaps a bit of holiday cheer. It's right nice of you.
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    As for your first point, I kind of doubt that Coach had players like Randy in mind when he said that.

    As to your second, I think it's a cheap shot. There are many fine, even great, players who have never won a Super Bowl, to which you have to be alluding since Moss has helped win a Conference Championship.

    Moss is an easy target because of his history. I'm still listening to his teammates and coaches more than to "experts" on this Board. Let's see how this all plays out over the next few weeks.
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    I had huge hopes for 98.5. What a disappointment. The disingenuous agenda of F & M is an embarrassment. I had hoped for a balanced approach to counteract the Big Show. It was foolish to think that a down-the-middle, unbiased, honest treatment of local sports teams was possible. I don't even have the station as one of my car radio settings anymore.
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    Ya know why Moss is such an ez target?

    Because it's EZ to see him quitting on a block that is literally still in the camera view of the LOS.

    I know that he had a "Reputation" for being a dog/lazy etc..., but I didn't care to hear or pay it any justice until I was able to SEE it with my OWN eyes.

    The guy is an unreal talent, that is not under debate.
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    Funny that because I watched him continue to block for Welker to pick up a first down.
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    Of course we should listen to all the Moss detractors, they'll all football experts and are getting text messages from inside Randy's brain. They exactly what's going on. How can you doubt the wisdom of Felger?
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    I believe between writers from other cities and green bay packer pole-smokers like felger, is a) what he used to do to their favorite teams and b) an attempt to weaken the pats.

    the writers are lining up to try to be the one who is right about the pats downfall

    again......my ONLY dislikes with the pats and BB is that a) he mostly ignored the LB position in a scheme where LB is the most important position b) he sold out to the big play offense that does not line up well with the fundamentals that made this team great in the first place.

    I think at this point, his ego is somewhat in his way......he won with his original principles, and now he wants to win some other way.......
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    I agree on the linebacker situation to an extent. I think he tried to address it, but he tried to do so in the same way he established it in the first half of the decade: by picking up value free agents and looking for late round gems. Even so, he added Colvin and Thomas, two high priced veterans who didn't pan out. He tried to address the LB situation, unfortunately he just didn't do a great job of it, some of it his fault, some of it bad luck.

    As for the offense, I think the new defensive rules influenced the style change. I also think we'd be more balanced if we didn't seem to lose 2-3 running backs every year to long term injuries.
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    Making excuses for Moss, or in some case even denying there was anything amiss on Sunday is as wrong as the ignorant, gleeful kneejerk piling on we've seen here and from some agenda driven hacks in the media. They polarize any rational discussion of what is in fact a legitimate concern in which the truth lies somewhere in the middle and is troubling enough in it's own right. What gauls me most about Randy's defenders though is their need to attempt to smear others who have never lacked effort and rarely if ever lacked focus in their attempt to rationalize his performance on Sunday and at points in his career including here.

    Randy has been by all accounts by and large a good teamate and a great player in his tenure here. He has also struggled periodically, increasingly of late, maintaining consistent focus and intensity when faced with adversity. We saw it in the playoffs even against teams who could not implement the emerging blueprint. A personal situation emerged during the playoffs, and the media reaction to it seemed to knock him almost entirely off stride in crunch time. But in the aftermath of a heartwrenching SB loss, ultimately the lions share of the blame went to the OL or Brady or the defense. We saw it when Brady went down and Moss initially struggled to remain motivated to perform with a QB who hadn't played since HS (although the lions share of the blame was heaped on the QB).

    We've seen it this season if we are actually paying attention and not too busy locating the usual suspects to blame. As a team captain, when the latest adversity beset his team he should have stepped forward and shown some determination to right the ship. Instead he curled up in a ball because his feelings were hurt because he put himself in position to be collaterally damaged.

    He's not the anti christ. He's not trying to tear the team down or stage a palace coup. But he's also proving he is not a great leader or a great football player. Those guys are self motivated and step up when challenged and elevate themselves and often in the process everyone around them in the face of adversity. Rand is just an other worldly talent who wants to win and works hard doesn't understand that a lot more goes into winning than that - like overcoming adversity and battling through physical or mental limitations that are impacting their ability as well as an entire teams chances of achieving their mutual goal.

    That attitude can change from team to team, or season to season or even week to week. There are lots of examples across the league even this season. Randy seemed to overcome disappointment last season when he was surrounded by a veteran cast who chose not to pack it in. This season facing adversity on a younger team with limited veteran presence, he has not yet. In fact he has trended down over the last couple of weeks. Brady and Belichick have continuously attempted to keep him engaged in the effort this season, often to their own detriment. They've ignored their critics in the process, which is what they always do in order to remain focused. Now they are faced with the added burden of re- engaging him after he could not ignore critics his own performance offered carte blanche to. He did what Brady was imploring him all game not to do, he let his frustration with his situation allow his performance to go from bad to worse.

    He can still dig out of it and potentially turn his season, and possibly this teams, around. Show your critics they're wrong or prove once and for all they aren't. Show the guys who had faith in you and stuck their necks out to prove it by giving you a shot at redemption and more and continue to do so they weren't just suckers for another great talent with a painfully misunderstood sob story. But it's on him to prove it because on Sunday he again gave his critics ample evidence to disprove it, and to deny that or attempt to shift blame in an effort to defend him from criticism and personal accountability is just ludicrous.
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    I dont believe people are making excuses for moss.....they were just the realistic ones who knew the bad as well as the good that came with moss.......you can't be down on him now if you weren't up on him when he is performing well.......it is no different than any other player where someone can bad mouth the player until the player plays poorly and say 'see? I told you so'

    3500 yards and 43 TD's in 3 years is something no other WR has ever come close to achieving with the pats (or most teams).....people should start with that before bashing him
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    Sure they are but that's what we all do when something we believe in is threatened.

    You do it incessantly of late to BB over not drafting enough linebackers even though he somehow managed to put this team in position to play in 4 superbowls in 8 seasons and win 3 while losing one in an otherwise merely undefeated season. You blame him now because it isn't working this season. You feel justified in doing so because you wanted him to do something else even when he was winning and that enables you to say I told you so...

    Bill is right though, stats are for losers. Winning is what matters. There are lots of reasons we aren't winning this season and LB play like WR play are just a couple of them.
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    Thanks SVN! nice article indeed. I emailed the author and thanked him for writing such a balanced article. Going to forward the link to as many as possible.

    Hope the Moss bashers on this forum read this article and try to keep their opinions to themselves for at least one more game and evaluate Moss' performance the next game before blasting him.
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    Well it's clear that people with the bias in their mind will never let it go. And then the idiots like Felger will just go way over the top piling on just to get ratings. It's simply amazing that Moss is incapable of having a bad game unless he isn't trying. That is some ridiculously inhumane talent or some ridiculously high standards. Randy Moss has played with the same effort the entire season. He has one bad game and the body language brigade jumps all over every bad play.

    Of course Brady and BB will get all the credit for "babying" him when he comes out and tears it up in Buffalo. It's just incredible at how petty and unfair people are to a player who does nothing but HELP their "favorite" team win football games. I can't stand the media, but the "fans" that are jumping is the trully sad part. I'm just glad the people who actually matter don't fall for the crap.
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    you mean when he caught what would have been the go-ahead TD in the Superbowl had our defense held?
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    What Felger is doing with Moss and slamming Moss for a piss poor, heartless effort on Sunday are two different things. Felger doesn't like Moss and has been slamming the guy for weeks. That is different than a lot of the media is doing.

    Fact of the matter is Moss quit on Sunday. For that, he deserves whatever crap he gets for his performance on that day. I don't care what his stats are and what he has done in other games. His performance on Sunday was disgraceful.

    I don't want Moss run out of town. I am not a huge fan of the guy, but I appreciate what he has done for this team in the past. I don't think we should have some blind loyalty to the guy and ignore what we saw on Sunday and make excuses for the guy.

    I felt he quit in the Saints game, but he wasn't the only one (far from it). So I won't get on his case about that. I will get on the entire team's case for that.

    I hope all this media attention will fuel him to prove everyone wrong and have an All Pro type of performance the rest of the way. I do worry that it could send him in the opposite direction especially since a large number of WRs seem to be headcases. I am willing to give Moss the benefit of the doubt and say now that he got it out of his system, he will be fine. But I still think he deserves a lot of the criticism he is getting from the media. Some of it is ridiculous, but some of it is valid.
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    Well said Rob.

    Guess that is exactly what the so-called 'Moss campers' are trying to point out. He certainly deserves strong criticism for his Sunday's play and people can have different opinions on how strong the criticism should be given what happened during the previous six days and his injury and whatever.

    But it is galling to read some of the 'anti-Moss campers' on this board act like mini-Flegers.
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    Interesting piece from Rapoport in the Herald:

    BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Edge NFL Matchup exec weighs in: “I thought this game was no different for Randy Moss than any other game.”

    and

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    Alllllllrighty then.

    Film guru sees nothing amiss with Moss - AFC East Blog - ESPN

    BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Edge NFL Matchup exec weighs in: “I thought this game was no different for Randy Moss than any other game.”

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    Where would we be without guys like you make sure we know the goods. :rolleyes:
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