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  1. Patters

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    After the Cuts Hit Them, 68% of Republicans Disapprove of Sequester

    One consistency among conservatives is that the things they champion often change when they have to live it. So it is with the sequester cuts. According to a new poll released Friday by ABC News and The Washington Post, Republicans are 14% more likely to say they’ve been hurt by the cuts than Democrats, and of those who have, 68% disapprove of them. Those Republicans who have not been hurt only disapprove by 42%.

    ABC News reports that experiencing the cuts trumps partisanship and ideology, “Experience of the cuts even trumps partisanship and ideology: Among Republicans, conservatives and Tea Party supporters who’ve been harmed by the cuts, most oppose them. Support is far higher among those in these groups who haven’t felt an impact of sequestration.”

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    Among conservatives hurt by the cuts, 65 percent disapprove of them; among those unhurt, just 34 percent disapprove.
     
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    Pretty misleading headline from the WaPo, since the 68% refers to people "affected" by the cuts. They don't specify the % actually affected by the cuts.

    No one I know has been affected by these minuscule cuts.

    The political reality is that the sequester has been pretty invisible to the public and never generated the outcry that the government obsessed people inside the beltway hoped for.

    Time to eliminate the IRS by going to the flat tax.
     
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    So basically it says that people who have been affected by the sequester, don't like it. Shockah....

    Just wait until they try to cut food stamps.....


    This just in, people who get something subsidized or free, want to keep getting it for as long as possible.

    My favorite in all this is that the vast majority of these people probably weren't affected (I mean a 1% cut can't possibly affect that many people, sorry), but because of the media, and most politicians, they think they've been. After all, the sequester was going to cause planes to crash, police to be laid off, teachers to be sacrificed at the alter, :rolleyes:

    Another newsflash from the poll, people who don't get, or expect to get free ****, think things are ok, or getting better. People who rely on someone else's hard work to make their lives easier, don't think so. I know, another surprise.

    The ultimate bottom line is if a 1-2% cut in spending is the be all end all of society, then boy oh boy are we ****ed. Cuz sooner or later there will be real pain, and we won't have a choice but to accept it.
     
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    I suppose they ask people if they've been affected by the cuts. I know quite a few fed probation officer who have been affected who I'm guessing are conservative, but also people have been indirectly affected by the cuts, such as people who work in the military industrial complex. I think a lot of people have been affected. In fact, indirectly I've been affected because there are certain clients I can no longer see because of cutbacks to federal programs. That affects my productivity, which in turn affects by bonus (though my bonuses aren't much to begin with).

    The flat tax ain't going to happen. Besides it's unfair to rich people. Why do you think someone who earns $1,000,000/yr. should have to pay 10x as much in tax as someone who earns $100k/year? You're sounding like a socialist with that kind of thinking ;)
     
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    Better than Obama rich friends like Immelt and the crony capitalist businessmen he subsidizes with gov loans and the like paying a lower EFFECTIVE rate due to deductions that the family making 100k pay. ;)
     
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    Right, a 1% cut has affected tons of people I know....:rolleyes:

    Hey look, Patters is pissed about people in the MIC not getting government handouts. You closet war mongerer you. I guess with you there is no government handout you won't support. ;)
     
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    #15 Jersey

    Actually, a sequester cut has already been overturned. Fly much?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    I don't disagree with anything you say here, but you're only describing one side of the issue. To me, it's equally entertaining to hear the moans and OUTRAGE that the Owners and the Job Creators lay on everyone else whenever a 1-2% tax increase is even whispered about. They seem to be on a hair trigger and will unload a barrage of insults toward anyone who dares mention such a massive shift to totalitarian communism. Any discussion of paying off the debt by shifting the burden even the slightest toward the Owners and Job Creators marks the beginning of the end of the United States of America "as we know it"- more like "as they know it".

    So, in the same way you emphasize the effect on the debt that not imposing the spending cuts has, the same impact on that debt is effected by the refusal of the Owners and Job Creators to chip in to the debt reduction equation. Much of that debt was incurred by fighting wars and dishing out corporate tax breaks that kept the stock market white hot, by the way. That stock market success was not achieved by the Investors efforts, of which there is very little. It was achieved by the national mechanisms and infrastructure supported by the taxes. The Owners and Job Creators spend a great deal of effort to avoid paying those taxes. There is an entire industry specifically devoted to that purpose.

    Hence, we get the "Red Scare" that taxes are associated with combined with the finger-pointing at the poor. THAT'S the real media manipulation being done here. The media is not owned and controlled by the poor, you know.
     
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    Cut food stamps and WWIII will break out, city's will burn (they will burn their own houses lol)

    Why am Gettin Ads At the top of this page all the time............?
     
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    How bout the 33% increase the employers will face due to Obamacare...
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Glad to know that you are both personally unacquainted with anyone who has cancer.

    Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequester.

    Also good to know that you aren't familiar with any seniors who get Meals-on-Wheels, or any families with children in a Head Start program, anyone at all who works for the federal government, is in the military or works for the state of MA in the public defenders office.

    Apparently no one you know has planned a vacation at a federal or state park, either. Or any victims of domestic abuse. Or anyone who might need drug or mental health services now or in the near future. Or anyone who might want to enter a graduate program in science or engineering.

    Everything We Know About What’s Happened Under Sequestration - ProPublica


    And since you don't live in New Hampshire, Utah, Alabama or Rhode Island, you don't know anyone who's had their unemployment checks cut by 12 to 17%, so that's all good.

    It's a Monday, So Unemployment Checks Are Being Slashed Somewhere | Mother Jones

    And you certainly seem to have gotten over the outrage about closing the White House to America's schoolchildren.

    Just who do you guys know, anyhow?
     
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    #87 Jersey

    A 2% budget cut, 2 friggin percent budget cut....with a deficit of 901 billion WITH the sequester

    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Also ... no real money was cut ... some new money was cut but spending is at or just above the old spending. It's the old government BS ... cuts are decreases in increases.
     
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    I believe fed probation officers, who are actually a talented bunch, are taking furloughs of one to two weeks, and people on probation for federal crimes are getting a reduction in services. These services are really pretty critical given that some of these people have spent years in jail, have no work history, and have a hard time getting used to freedom. It's a lot cheaper for the taxpayers if they stay out of prison, and I strongly suspect thanks to the very strong federal programs, recidivism among people who committed federal crimes is less than among those who commit local crimes.

    It's seems inconsistent to, on the one hand, argue that federal spending is outrageous and, on the other hand, say that 1-2% isn't much. A lot of people are directly and indirectly affected by this. There's a big multiplier affect when you take billions out of the economy, especially an economy that's still struggling to fully rebound. $8 billion/year could easily represent 100,000 jobs and with the multiplier affect many more hundreds of thousands. But, who cares about those people, right? They're only federal workers. As long as we pander to the troops, we have our morals covered.
     
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    Why am I, Harry Boy, getting ads at the top of each thread, is it because I am a Neo Con, dear God.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    You must have me confused with someone else :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
     
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    Icy, I'm responding to you. You made it sound like there were no budget cuts, as if it's nothing to worry about. Did I misunderstand? My only point is that I know a lot of people who are directly and indirectly affected by this.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    How about your incorrect and snide troop commentary at the end ...
    I am always speaking of cutting from the military in this forum ... Darryl, me and Wistah say this like all the time.

    I never said 1%-2% ...

    I did say no old money was cut ... they trimmed off on the increases in spending and that's all I said.

    You interpolated a lot from what I said as in ad lib.

    Also some of your commentary is wrong.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ssachusetts/ggElPlBiIPkqVVMAB4C3rI/story.html

     
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    What about all those bees that are gettin' disappeared?

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Are you referring to the cost of insurance, provider costs, taxes? WHAT!
     
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    Oh, Icy, just trying to stir the pot a little with my comment to you, but I guess I stirred in the wrong direction.

    As far as that Boston Globe article, I think it supports what I said. They tightened their belt "to the last notch," but are saying it's not interrupting public safety. To the degree it's not interrupting public safety it's because most of those released have MassHealth, but there are those who are not eligible (for complicated reasons), which makes it difficult for them to access a variety of important services including drug rehab services. It's not a disaster, but it is affecting people's lives, including those who have to take a couple weeks off without pay.
     

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