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  1. DarrylS

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    Interesting story in Worldnet this AM, apparently Breitbart has more videos of alleged wrongdoing by ACORN and is threatening Holder to investigate ACORN and if he does not then they will surface in time for the 2010 midterms...

    IF this is a vanguard for a new political method, then we have all been double flushed and their is little hope for an election that has to do with issues instead reverting to sensationalism..

    They have already stopped their funding, which is probably illegal, but the actions of Breitbart sounds like blackmail...

    What continues to astound is that ACORN has not been convicted of any wronigdoing based on the videos... and as far as can tell there is not even an ongoing investigation on a state level... all the while there is silence on the companies who get billions and have openly defrauded the government... Haliburton, Xe... Wackenhut etc... and there has been no effort to stop their funding..

    Ultimatum: Investigate ACORN or more videos coming

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    #12 Jersey

    Sounds like both to me.

    Plus, they've lied - further reducing their credibility.

    In making public a video he withheld for more than two months, right-wing activist James O'Keefe finally acknowledged that a Los Angeles ACORN employee "would not assist us obtain a house for our illegal activities" -- an admission that directly contradicts claims by his colleague Hannah Giles that no ACORN employees refused to help them. Moreover, O'Keefe's claim in the video that the Los Angeles employee was the "only" ACORN employee who refused to help is contradicted by the fact that ACORN employees in two other cities contacted the police following their encounters with O'Keefe and Giles

    In LA video, O'Keefe and Giles expose their own dishonesty | Media Matters for America
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    They are doing a great job exposing a criminal enterprise good for them. It isn't blackmail if done in pubic for no personal gain.

    Holder has to dragged kicking and screaming to investigate corruption by the left.
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    If you have evidence of wrongdoing, and do not use it then you complicit.. it is called concealing or withholding evidence... if you know of a crime you must report it.. not use it for political gain.

    Too bad there is not the same veracity for Xe, Haliburton or Wackenhut to name a few...
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    #12 Jersey

    But it IS extortion - which is also a crime. (Regardless of if it is done pubicly, privately or publicly.)

    Extortion, outwresting, or exaction is a criminal offense which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion.

    Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of lawsuits, reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc.


    Extortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force.

    Coercion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Breitbart: Oh my goodness there are! Not only are there more tapes, it's not just ACORN. And this message is to Attorney General Holder: I want you to know that we have more tapes, it's not just ACORN, and we're going to hold out until the next election cycle, or else if you want to do a clean investigation, we will give you the rest of what we have, we will comply with you, we will give you the documentation we have from countless ACORN whistleblowers who want to come forward but are fearful of this organization and the retribution that they fear that this is a dangerous organization. So if you get into an investigation, we will give you the tapes; if you don't give us the tapes, we will revisit these tapes come election time.

    This could also be construed as a not-so-thinnly-veiled threat to interfere with a federal election.

    It is, as Darryll points out, also illegal to withhold information - and if Breitbart has information regarding crimes by ACORN as well as "not just ACORN" he is required, by law, to hand any evidence he has over to the proper authorities.

    I think they ought to bust his ***** and charge him with willfully withholding evidence.
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    These are probably just more cases of right wingers going after a community activist group through using entrapment techniques. ACORN is a huge group and no doubt has some bad apples, but as a percent of its employees, I doubt the numbers are particularly high. Holder should go after Wall Street, not a bunch of low income young people who on rare occasion overstep. This story is about as big as Obama's bow to the Emporer of Japan. Let Breitbart release these tapes in the next election cycle. It'll help mobilize those the left.
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    They are asking the AG to do his job not a crime.

    Really panicky over the exposing of crimes by a group tied to the President eh.



    Wonder when the SEIU will be investigated for beating people who express views they don't like.
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    Perhaps if precedent had been set in 2000 by launching an investigation into the voting fiasco in Florida, the conservative complaints against ACORN might be treated with a little more respect. But to my knowledge the only precedence that was set in 2000 was not to investigate electoral fraud. Until Breitbart releases his supposed tapes, there's actually no evidence of a crime at all, just spurious claims.
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    I don't know why they didn't explore the voting fraud practiced against military absentee balots it is a disgrace to deny voting rights to people risking their lived to defend our country. I am also concerned about the allegations that felons and non citizens were allowed to vote these should have been investigated also. Perhaps exposing Acorn will help deter their illegal activities.
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    Yes, perhaps if we ever see a Republican administration again, ACORN will be investigated. Meanwhile, we'll follow the precedence so comfortably embraced by the conservative media and investigate more serious things than a handful of claims against an organization that represents poor people. Personally, if Holder is going to investigate electoral dishonesty, let's go after the tax status of the churches that engaged in political activity. We could use the money to pay down the national debt.
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    I agree it outrageous that Clinton, Gore, Kerry & Obama have held campaign rallies and spoken from thepulpits of so many churches.


    When will dems stop using churches as locations for campaign rallies?
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    We agree! Let's go after them all.
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    Once again you show your ignorance of the law and the legal system..it violates any modicum of intergrity or ethics...

    The basic fact here is that is you have knowledge of a wrongdoing, you have the responsibillity to report it...

    When a scandal breaks, the discovery of an attempt to cover up is often regarded as even more reprehensible than the original deeds.

    OTOH the DOJ will not do anything, as all it will do is give Breitbart more press and face time... just wish there was as much veracity with the fraud committed by our defense contractors.
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    They had already produced multiple tapes showing criminal activity to the point that some funding was cut, what has Holder done so far to start an investigation?
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    How can anyone either defend ACORN, or not demand they be investigated? What planet are we on here? This is a group that took taxpayer money, and tried to help strangers set up a underage, illegal alien pimp operation. Hello, anybody home?!? :confused:
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    There has been countless allegations of fraud, murder and the like by Haliburton, Xe and other defense contractors... and their is silence.
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    If you read the thread no one is defending anyone, what was discussed was that Breitbart is extorting and blackmailing the DOJ...

    There was the usual descension into the hypocrisy of the whole situation, as their is focus on ACORN... all the while the ignoring the billions and billions of dollars being skimmed by the defense contractors...

    Right now ACORN is not getting any funding, they stopped it member???
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    They are asking that the DOJ does it's job. What has Holder done about the crimes documented by ACORN.


    To the best of my knowledge Holder has doen NOTHING. That is the scandal.
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    Should we hold corporations to the same standard. If a couple individuals in a corporation are caught doing something dishonest, what do you think should be done to the corporation? Can you defend what I strongly suspect is your double standard?

    Why not read about some of things that ACORN does:

    Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In fact, these kind of attacks have made me decide to donate to ACORN for the first time. Thanks.
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