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    The Texans have had a great deal of trouble this year with the health of their inside linebackers. Cushing was IR'd early and they've lost other ILB's to IR as well.
    They guys they have playing the position on Sunday are not front line players that should be starting in the NFL, much less during a playoff game. This is one weakness that we can really exploit to our advantage. Gronk should be able to own the middle of the field and I expect about 130 yards and 2 TD's from him.
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    Expect a Big Day From Gronk...Here's why


    ....because he's Gronk!
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    I will be ecstatic if Gronk has a big day, but I for one, am a little worried about hanging our hats on him as the big game changer. He didn't look so good against Miami, be it rust or lingering injuries, or the big-a $ $ cast on his arm. I will be curious to see how well he does and how much he is featured in the game plan. I have been wondering if the Pats will go back to featuring Hernandez, with Gronk more of a decoy, although Hernandez has had a case of the dropsies lately. Can't wait to see how it plays out, and hopefully, it's all good!
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    I'm thinking that Gronk's performance was more of a tune up.

    My theory on why we he didn't much action is because we simply didn't need him to.

    I think the goal was merely just to give him some game reps. The arm could be in good shape, but after weeks of not playing it takes some adjusting to get back to game form.

    The fact that we are another two weeks removed also has to be a good thing.
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    He didn't look good against Miami because he wasn't in football shape quite yet. Why anybody argued against that prior to the game was absolutely beyond me. Gronk HAD to see extended reps against Miami to knock that off.
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    I would agree that Houston's LBs do not match up well with the Pats TEs. Houston may try to put Jonathan Joseph on Hernandez. They don't really have an option for covering Gronk. If they underestimate Welker he will kill them.

    But I hope we keep the running game going too, and wear them down. And I expect Gronk to be a big part of that, as well as in the passing attack. I'd be just as happy watching him flatten some linemen and open some huge holes for Ridley as shredding the Texans in the middle of the field.
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    I actually think it is Welker who is going to have a big game, because when Texas played us last time, their best corner, Joseph, was on Welker because Gronk was out. This time around, I believe Joseph will be on Gronk out of necessity, which frees up Welker.
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    Yeah because Welker's not very athletic and all that.:bricks:
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    If he is 90% or better, he will have a big day. If not, he will not. If he is literally blocking with one arm, he will not. Not against Watt.
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    If Joseph is on Gronk, Gronk will have a big day. Way too small. Joseph will more likely be on Hernandez.
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    Bradie James and Ruud both suck. I expect we will be targeting them all afternoon with a variety of different players both in the run and passing games.
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    Interesting. I figure they put Joseph on Lloyd. I think Hernandez is going to have an even bigger game because of the return of Gronk. I am thinking around 8-10 catches, 90-110 yards and 2 TDs. I don't think Gronk is going to have big receiving numbers but will make in impact in this game simply with his presence and run blocking.
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    I know folks on this board passionately disagree with me but Gronk is more important to this offense than Welker.

    He may not have a 10 catch, 190yd, 3 TD game on Sunday, but if he doesn't, guys like WW, AH and BL will and the Pats will win handily.
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    i see 85 yards and a TD for him
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    They may put him on Lloyd. Certainly an option. I think Hernandez is a bigger thread. Wade Phillips specifically talked about Hernandez' athletiism not being as big a mismatch if a CB was on him, but I'm sure it will vary.
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    gronk doesn't have to be that important......he just brings something to the table that the pats didn't have in the last game.....

    they won't be putting a DB on gronk as long as henrnadez is out there, too.....

    the texans defense is simply weakest in the worst possible spot right now......short middle is going to kill them........it all kind of caves in from there

    if I was the texans, I would strictly play nickle and make the pats running game beat me with what I can defend from there.

    this ain't the bengals......every target the pats have goes into the middle short save lloyd

    as for slowing watt? simple pump fakes gets him into the air.....mix in some hurry up and he will be begging to get off of the field

    I have a funny feeling deion branch is going to figure prominently in this game.....I think he's another one who will get ignored and burn them for it
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    Thing I love about the offense is that, theoretically, should they man up a CB on AHern, it just turns into a giant mismatch in the running game with all their light guys on the field.
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    If we have Gronk, AHern, Brandon, Wes, and Vareen or Woodhead out there together,

    somebody will have single coverage with a linebacker or safety all day. If Tom identifies that person and that defender pre-snap, then there will be huge gains to be had all day, gains that do not require exceptional pocket protection because they are short slants, seam routes, and quick outs.

    I see massive yards after catch potential.
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    IIRC correctly, that was Rexy's strategy. Sometimes Revis was on WW. Sometimes Revis was on Branch. Sometimes he sat in a zone coverage scheme. It worked. However..

    JJ is a good CB, but his is not Revis and the Jets defense is better than HOUs.
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    I'm growing increasingly curious as to how, precisely, Son of Bumble defines athleticism :p
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    Yep. Let's say they play the Pats ala 2010 NYJ. Flood the middle of the field. Win the 1:1s on the line, send 3-5 lineman, blitz a few times and totally befuddle TB. Differences....

    LLoyd > Branch
    Ridley > BJGE
    2012 AH > 2010 hurt AH
    2012 Gronk > 2010 Gronk

    Line is better. Depth is better, etc.

    We've seen the 2012 offense get slowed down for sure and with TOs, 4 man pass rush, this offense can be slowed down.

    I think the key is McDaniels. He needs to be patient, attack and if the run game is there, then run the damn ball.
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    What really screwed us in that game was being unable to run when the Jets had 5+ DBs on the field. With the personnel we have today, I believe they'd be able to hurt the Jets on the ground every single time they attempted to play the pass exclusively.
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    The big unknown is health. On offense, will we get a one-armed or two-armed Gronk? Is he only a receiving threat or will he be able to block as well? (The last time we saw him his left arm dangled and he was not a great blocker.) The latter will determine his versatility and is key to his impact.
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    It would be great to have a healthy Gronk who can block and catch close to his standards, but we need the receiver more than we need the blocker with Illinii Mike and Fells on the roster. A competent pass catcher keeps the coverage honest.

    Against the fish, Gronk just looked gassed. Not being able to work out due to the nature of the injury will do that to you.
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    A couple of comments on the comments:

    1. We should be concerned about Gronk's one armed performance in the Miami game 2 weeks ago.

    2. OTOH it was 2 weeks ago, and even in the Miami game he didn't seem to favor his arm in the passing game.

    3. What Gronk brings to the game far exceeds his impact on the Pats passing game.

    a. Assuming 2 more weeks of healing, his affect on the running game will be considerable.

    b. Because of the health problems of the Texan ILB position, I fully expect to see them in a nickle D most of the time, daring the Pats to run the ball. And I fully expect, with Gronk on the field, the Pats to take the Texans up on that challenge. It SHOULD be a big day for the Pats RB's. I fully expect the total to exceed 150 yds

    Bottom Line: Yes it WILL be a big day for Gronk, even if it doesn't show up in the receiving stats.
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    Sitting out Wes in the opening drive, unforced errors like Harris' pick, dropping catchable passes, and dealing with injury faking Rats dropping all over the field had an effect too.
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    IMO this is the whole key to this rematch. I fully expect the Texans to play better than last time overall. But if Gronkowski is anywhere near full strength, this offense is pretty much a perfect storm bearing down on their weakest link.
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    An early and often dose of Ridley running the ball will set up the play action, which should in turn open up big chunks of the middle of the field.
    My only concern here is McDaniels losing patience with the run too early.
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    Thread/......

    Just kidding. great analysis. sure plays to our strength.

    ..and, as noted, we've got the running game to more than keep them honest.
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    If I am not mistaken, Philips runs either his base or dime (three safeties). I believe that with the dime, Philips will have a safety bracket Gronk on top, but you still need someone on the underneath to cut off intermediate routes or just to bracket, and Joseph is their best man in that regard.
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