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  1. shmessy

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    #75 Jersey

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    Thanks for the bulletin - we've known this for about 5-6 years now.

    Duh :rolleyes:
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    So what else is new, never used his veto pen to constrain congress, passed the prescription drug benefit and the education bill wiht Kennedy.

    Is this like figuring out after 16 years that the Clintons are liars who practice gutter politics.

    Just cause he did a good job on the WOT and passed tax cuts didn't mean the guy didn't do a lot of other dumb things.
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    I think the Liberals around here aren't smart enough to realize Conservatives can be disappointed in Bush but still be Conservative. Sorry, guys, Bush does not equal Conservative and reminding us about what we don't like about Bush isn't going to make us vote for The Messiah (otherwise known as Obama).
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    Better than Barack Hussein Obama. IMHO.

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    As of this moment I prefer McCain to Bush. However I, like most Republicans, have been clear that he's far, far, far from my perfect candidate.
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    Sometimes service to one's country is a good enough foundation to offer wise leadership. Not always, obviously, but some times. I look forward to what McCain does from here on out because both Dem candidates have very big vulnerabilities. Weaknesses that can be exploited extensively, and will no doubt be tested.


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    I don't disagree with that.

    The war mongerer thing is what it is, I guess, I would prefer us to not be in Iraq too but we're there now and staying there, while a bad option, is probably better than withdrawing.

    Ignorant about the economy, etc, yeah, he'll need someone like Romney to be a strong advisor there.

    I'm also not thrilled about him being against Bush's tax cuts before he was for them.

    However I do think he's a legitimate small government Republican which is a good thing. If Obama or Clinton were a small government Democrat I would look seriously in that direction; but they are not.
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    Someone just figured out that GW is big government? :confused:
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    Do you think it is good he flip flopped on torture?? IMO it looked a lot like pandering..

    I also do not like his relationship with many lobbyists.. there is a fine line here between being an insider in the beltway and having many people expect favors..

    I really like and respect his service..

    In 2000 George and Karl smeared his faux pas and family, some real and some imagined, all over south Carolina and now they are buddy buddies.. don't care for that either. Some things are unforgiveable.
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    Maybe he should raise taxes to PAY for it?
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    Compared to crypto socailist/communist like Hillary and Obama, it is sort of like choosing to get the flu instead of the Ebola virus
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    Or make the other 50% pay a fair share.
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    Ya mean like Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown and Root and all the others who have been draining our Treasury for years only to move to Dubai and the Cayman Islands?

    Yeah, PFinEL, that's a GREAT idea!
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    Take the honest liberial test, how much should a person/ family pay in taxes?
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    Do you actually know what these companies do? Or is this just liberal speak?

    Do you know how much in tax payments people were paid who didn't pay any income taxes?
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    Less than we do right now.. I like the idea of small gov't, in this adm. Rumsfield did not like the CIA so he started his own intelligence agency in the Pentagon.. all of the war profiteers, the Dept of ed and all of its idiotic regs.. on and on and on.. this gov't and the previous ones are good at wasting money. One time I knew a guy whose job it was to keep track of telephone poles in Kansas.. he got paid well.
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    Or not raise taxes and not raise spending. Duh. The government gets MORE than enough money. It's not an income problem it's a spending problem.
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    I'm for a flat tax. No loopholes, except for charity.

    That means the luxury boxes and champagne at sporting events are not write offs. The $150 per person lunch is not a write off. The Gov't does no business with corps that move to the Cayman Islands to escape rightful FICA payments to their employees who put their own lives on the line in Iraq only to return home with no FICA benes paid in.

    That FICA taxes are paid evenly by all (not just those who make less than 102K per year). If that is done, we can bring down FICA taxes (currently 7.65% on the first 102K) to approx. 2% on all income (earned income and Paris Hilton-style income).
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    Wow, you area great economist. However, Cash Flow is a TWO-WAY street.

    I'm all for lowering taxes IF IT'S AFFORDABLE.

    Anyone can lower taxes, just like any parent can be their kids' "best friend" by saying yes to sugar and candy all day.

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