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LT is a downgrade from Jones.
Cromartie is at best an equal liability to Lito Sheppard.
At best, they stayed even, I dont know how this represents an upgrade.

I still don't get the love affair with Cromartie. The guy was average at best for 3 1/2 years and was good for a half a season.
 
And counter pointed by a true homer.

You counterpointed yourself? You are the biggest JETS HOMER on this board. And you are too stupid to realize that no one thinks you are Patriots fan. But keep kidding yourself you got us fooled.
 
Yes, saying they have a superior roster to the patriots these days makes me a fan of their team. There's no validity to that at all, just keep walking in a circle muttering "In BB I trust, in BB I trust" if it makes you feel better.
 
Greene is an upgrade over Jones (who was clearly spent at the end of the season)

Based on 100 carries? How can you make this statement? Slaton and Forte had excellent rookie seasons and regressed with better offensive talent around them.

LT gives them a pass catching RB which they needed because Leon Washington won't be fully healthy and most likely will be traded by them for a 2nd round pick.

LT is done and is a selfish loser that will quickly be discouraged by his lack of being the focal point. He maybe saying all the right things now, but actions speak louder than words and he hasn't performed well in a meaningful game in years! Hell he hasn't played in a meaningful game in years. Does he even have a combined twenty carries in the last 3 Charger playoff games?

Cromartie is a huge upgrade over Sheppherd, surrounding him with all their defensive talent and putting him in a scheme that plays to his strengths. Big pick-up for them. Sheppherd was benched for some scrub name Dwight Lowery.

The guy has 19 pass defensed and 5 picks in the past two seasons, Sheppard had 12 and 2 in less games. How is that a "huge upgrade"?


Once BB gets rid of Adalius Thomas, he'll provide the occasional pass rush for them. Knows the system well, surrounded by better defensive talent.

Yay good riddence, but again you are assuming BB will cut him. Always a chance someone ponies up a 7th for him, especially if a team loses a LB during mini-camp.

Sanchez is going to be a stud in this league, year 2 he'll be more than a caretaker.

How do you know this as well, again you are making a huge assumption. I think Sanchez will be, but he didn't exactly have a pro bowl rookie season. Matt Ryan had a superb rookie season to only digress his sophmore year and once again that player had much better talent around him, hell they added one of the greatest TE's of all time to the roster.

Flacco improved his sophmore year, but he had an all-pro season his rookie year compared to Sanchez. Sanchez had 360 attempts and had a 53.8 completion percentage. Both Ryan and Flacco had over 425 attempts and both completed 60% of their passes and combined, threw 3 more picks than Sanchez.

I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves.

Add some draft picks, another year in the systems and they are clearly better than last year and indeed the team to beat in the AFC East.

This logic is funny to me. Because people (not neccessarily you) believe that year two for the Jets has to be better because it is Ryan's 2nd season and everyone will have a better grasp. Yet the Pats 2nd year players won't improve they will stay status quo.

The larger point is that you along with many here as well as many of the "media experts" are just assuming that Greene can be the man and carry the load 300+ times and be a 1400 yard back because he looked good for a whole 100 carries. That Sanchez is going to have greater improvement from his 1st to 2nd season than guys like Ryan and Flacco, who both were 4 year starters in college. And that LT will fit right in and produce.

Those are some huge ifs! :cool:
 
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-How is a young stud RB not an upgrade over a fading Thomas Jones? I was very impressed by Shonne Green. Always a chance any player can regress but he's an impressive young RB.

-Tomlinson I believe is finished as well but he's a replacement for Washington whose leg is not going to fully heal for another year. LT is a stop gap for a year or 2, most likely they draft a 3rd down back this year.

-Again, it's the system and talent that will benefit Cromartie, Sheppherd and then Lowery were toasted on a regular basis, they were both terrible. It's like throwing out Randy Moss's stats while in Oakland, it doesn't mean anything. This guy in Ryan's system and paired with Revis is potentially scary.

-BB would be wise to try and trade AD, I have a feeling he'll haunt the patriots twice a year if he goes there.

-I just don't see Sanchez failing, Flacco and Ryan struggled a bit in year 2 but it's not like they were Brady Quinn. Sanchez is an impressive young qb.

-I'm not so much talking about Jet rookie players as opposed to their already established players knowing the system better in year 2. Chung, Butler an those guys will get better but the vets have been in the patriot system for ever, it only gets tweaked not overhauled, that was the point.
BB needs a strong draft, he's been terrible as of late.
 
The Jets have a good team, no doubt.

I like Sanchez to imprive this year, I thought the mistakes he made last year can be put down to rookie inexperience - he showed plenty of flashes along the way.

Will he progress as expected?

Who can say - he doesn't really have a whole lot of talent to throw to.

The Jets O-line stayed remarkably healthy last year - is that likely to happen again?

Rex is an excellent D co-ord - good pressure schemes - but then the Patriots still toasted it for 31 points when Brady was still only partly recovered from his injury.

Teams will have had a look at what the Jets brought last year - and lets be honest it wasn't ahything too complicated on the offensive side of the ball and they'll be working ways to break it down.

It should also be noted that the Jets lucked into the post-season - regardless of what they did once they got there.

I have to laugh when people make out that the Patriots drafting has been 'terrible' under Belichick - where did all those AFCE titles come from?

Its easy to look back in hindsight and 'fantasy draft' another player - the Patriots do a good job drafting, and a very good job with free agency.

Should be a good match-up this year.
 
-How is a young stud RB not an upgrade over a fading Thomas Jones? I was very impressed by Shonne Green. Always a chance any player can regress but he's an impressive young RB.

-Tomlinson I believe is finished as well but he's a replacement for Washington whose leg is not going to fully heal for another year. LT is a stop gap for a year or 2, most likely they draft a 3rd down back this year.

-Again, it's the system and talent that will benefit Cromartie, Sheppherd and then Lowery were toasted on a regular basis, they were both terrible. It's like throwing out Randy Moss's stats while in Oakland, it doesn't mean anything. This guy in Ryan's system and paired with Revis is potentially scary.

-BB would be wise to try and trade AD, I have a feeling he'll haunt the patriots twice a year if he goes there.

-I just don't see Sanchez failing, Flacco and Ryan struggled a bit in year 2 but it's not like they were Brady Quinn. Sanchez is an impressive young qb.

-I'm not so much talking about Jet rookie players as opposed to their already established players knowing the system better in year 2. Chung, Butler an those guys will get better but the vets have been in the patriot system for ever, it only gets tweaked not overhauled, that was the point.
BB needs a strong draft, he's been terrible as of late.

1. Its putting all of their eggs in one basket. If Green proves to be nothing but a change of pace back they are SOL. Jones was a proven guy and a proven leader. I'm still baffled by them cutting him.

2. I can buy that reasoning, but why not go after a proven guy without the mileage?

3. I don't think the state of the 2008 Chargers defense is any way comparable to the state of the 2006 Raiders offense. Cromartie has no heart and no discipline, the fact that the CB needy Chargers were willing to trade him speaks volumes.

4. I think the percentages are higher that he will be cut, but I wouldn't be shocked to to see him traded on April 23rd either. If he is still on the roster come June than I think it is almost a done deal that he will be a Jet.

5. I don't think he will fail. Both Flacco and Ryan were more than just hand it off kind of QB's their rookie season, both had over 425 attempts completed 60% of their passes and they had 11 and 14 Int's respectively. One improved slightly his 2nd season and the other regressed. Both had more college experience and were the focal point of their offense coming into the season. They had more proven talent on the roster at both the RB and WR positions yet they didn't have a drastic improvement over their rookie season.

I just don't see how Sanchez will drastically improve over the course of one offseason, especially when he will have to throw more. He has an unproven RB, and his best WR can't catch a cold unless he is at the circus. I think his improvement will only be slight if any given the talent around him, and for the Jets to beat out the Pats that won't be enough.

6. I wasn't just talking about the Jets rookies either, I was talking about the guys that were first year players under Rex on defense as well as the 2nd year RB and QB.

The Pats defense had 6 new starters last season if that isn't an overhaul than I don't know what is. I won't argue the draft aspect but guys like Merriweather and Bodden will only improve and get more comfortable. I hope the rookies really come on, Butler looked good towards the end of the year and I still hold out hope that Chung can be a hell of a safety. The cupboards aren't bare, on defense just at OLB, and we are short handed at DE.

As far as drafting goes and helping the team immediately, if we can get one rookie starter out of this draft I would be happy, especially if it is at RDE or OLB. But I have a suspicion that many on here feel the same way.
 
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-How is a young stud RB not an upgrade over a fading Thomas Jones? I was very impressed by Shonne Green. Always a chance any player can regress but he's an impressive young RB.

The guy was great for two games last season. It's not like the guy did it

-Tomlinson I believe is finished as well but he's a replacement for Washington whose leg is not going to fully heal for another year. LT is a stop gap for a year or 2, most likely they draft a 3rd down back this year.

Doesn't make him an upgrade though. Losing Thomas and adding LT is a downgrade. Technically, he is replacing Shonn Greene who was the Jets' 3rd down/change of pace RB until the playoffs and you consider him a

-Again, it's the system and talent that will benefit Cromartie, Sheppherd and then Lowery were toasted on a regular basis, they were both terrible. It's like throwing out Randy Moss's stats while in Oakland, it doesn't mean anything. This guy in Ryan's system and paired with Revis is potentially scary.

Seriously, I don't get this overhype of Cromartie. The guy had a great, but overrated half of season. Through week 5 of the 2007 season, he had 3 pass defenses and 0 INTs. Between week six and 15, he had 15 pass defenses and 10 INTs (although he had three games with out anything and his best game was a game where he got 3 INTs against manning who threw six picks in that game). Week 16 and 17 only one pass defense. He picked Manning and Brady in the playoffs, but Manning did pass for 402 yards and 3 TDs and Brady had a 2 passing drive in the fourth quarter that scored a TD and took up almost the entire quarter to end the game.

-BB would be wise to try and trade AD, I have a feeling he'll haunt the patriots twice a year if he goes there.

I don't think he is that good anymore. He might be better in a new system that suits his needs, but he is clearly not the player he once was.

-I just don't see Sanchez failing, Flacco and Ryan struggled a bit in year 2 but it's not like they were Brady Quinn. Sanchez is an impressive young qb.

Sanchez is 2-8 when he passes the ball more than 20 times in a game. He had 12 TDs and 20 INTs in the regular season and probably would have had more INTs if the Jets didn't turn him into a game manager at the end of the season. The guy still makes far too many mistakes to be in the stud category yet.

-I'm not so much talking about Jet rookie players as opposed to their already established players knowing the system better in year 2. Chung, Butler an those guys will get better but the vets have been in the patriot system for ever, it only gets tweaked not overhauled, that was the point.
BB needs a strong draft, he's been terrible as of late.

History has shown that a lot of teams who have a surge the first year in a new system take a big step back the next. Look at Miami and Atlanta last season, the Jets in their second season with Mangini, the Chargers in Turner's second year, the second year of Parcells' regime in Dallas (from 10-6 to 6-10 with the year before him a 5-11 team under Dave Campo), Sean Payton's second year with the Saints (from 10-6 to 7-9 with the year before he got there a 3-13 record), the first year with Gruden in Tampa(Dungy got them to 9-7 the year before then Gruden went 12-4 and won the Super Bowl his first year there only to go 7-9 the next).

History definitely shows that the Jets are just as likely as taking a step back as getting better this upcoming season.
 
You are comparing a three game stretch vs. an entire season. But you can compare the stats of many players three game stretch vs. an entire season of another and get a skewed result.

Read that section that you quoted again. I actually compared Thomas Jones' last three games to Shonn Greene's last three games, one of them being against the same team one week apart. The only difference is that Cincy was playing for more when Greene was the Jets' lead back as opposed to Jones... and Greene still shredded them for much more.

I totally disagree with that. Until the playoffs, Thomas Jones was the lead back and had more rushes than Greene. Greene rushed for 15 or more time in a game in the season twice (garbage time vs. Oakland and garbage time vs. Indy). The only time that Greene rushed for 20 or more times was the first two games of the playoffs which could have caught boh opponents off guard because they were expecting Jones.

I'm not buying that last line at all. There isn't THAT much of a difference between Jones' and Greene's running styles. On top of that, whether they were "expecting Jones" or not, they were still gearing up for the run game. Hell, everyone and their mother knew what the Jets offensive gameplan was headed into the playoffs: run the ball and only let Sanchez manage the game. Even my girlfriend knew that. Cincy, San Diego, and Indy gameplanned that way as well. They dropped one, sometimes two, extra men in the box to stop the run game. By the way, that last line could only *MAYBE* be applied to one game, and that's the wild card game. After the wild card, San Diego and Indy knew they had to gameplan for Greene as well as Jones.

Never compared the offensive system or o-lines. But while we are, the reason why Addai fell apart has nothing to do with his offensive system and gameplan which didn't really change from when he was a rookie to today all that much. It had to do with the player. If the Colts significantly changed their system or o-line (their o-lie was already in flux after Tarik Glenn retired), then I would agree you have a point. I will argue having Manning as your QB makes it as easy to run as a great o-line because you can never put eight in the box against the Colts.

First of all, throwing Joseph Addai in here to try to make a point is a pretty clear cut red herring. But I'll address it even though it didn't really have a place in the original discussion. Addai's 2006 (rookie season) attempts: 226 (1,081 yards). By the way, he started 0 of those games. Addai's 2007 attempts: 261 (1,072 yards). Addai's 2008 attempts: 155 (544 yards). Addai's 2009 attempts: 219 (828 yards). As you can see, after his first two seasons, Addai's attempts went down SIGNIFICANTLY in 2008. In 2009, they went back up but he was also battling for playing time with Donald Brown and Indy's other backs as well. Another funny thing about Addai's 2009 season is that he set a career high in receptions (51) which says a lot about my point: that he plays in an offensive system that isn't conducive to him being a stat machine at the position. On top of this, you make an interesting point below about the Patriots run blocking suffering at the expense of their pass blocking. You should probably take this into account when looking at Indianapolis and Joseph Addai as well.

And what if the passing game gets worse? There is no guarantees that Sanchez will get better or he does, that he gets significantly better. Sanchez was 2-8 this past season when he threw 20 or more times. I doubt Ryan will open up the offense all that much more unless he is forced to or he significantly upgrades his receiving corp.

What if the o-line becoming more of a pass blocking team takes away some of their run blocking agression. We have seen that happen to the Patriots, why couldn't it happen to the Jets.

These are all valid points, Rob. However, that said, with the way Sanchez's season went in 2009 (abysmal) I don't think it's far fetched to say that he'll probably improve, if only by a little bit. And their run blocking could suffer. I certainly hope it does. However, I doubt the Jets will go pass-first like the Pats did in 2007 (which is the season that I believe our offensive line lost it's smashmouth run blocking style). And, personally, I think the Jets have a pretty good receiving corps. They could upgrade Braylon Edwards, but Jerricho Cotchery is their WR2 and he is one of the better WR2's in the AFC. They also have Keller at TE who isn't too shabby either. It isn't exactly like Sanchez doesn't have anything to work with. If he improves only a little, he does have weapons at his disposal.

What if teams don't respect Sanchez enough and continue to put eight in the box? Can Greene take the offense on his shoulders for 16 games like Jones did? The jury is out.

You can't really say that about Jones either, though. Jones wasn't constantly facing 8 guys in the box consistently until after the bye week. When he did, he started to break down quickly (as any Jets fan will probably tell you). Regardless, I still think the Jets draft another RB this year and they get Leon Washington back as a third down specialist, so I doubt Greene will be carrying the running game all by himself (though he will, obviously, be the feature back). So we shall see. I'm hoping for nothing but the worst for Greene and the Jets. I just have my doubts as to whether that will happen.
 
alot of assumptions going on that everything will go wrong for the jets and everything will go right for the pats

as a rookie, sanchez had 12 more TD passes than did brady.......I wonder how well brady would have done as a rookie....sanchez had as many zero INT games during the season as brady did......

manning had 28 INT's as a rookie while his biggest target was marshall faulk.....go figure......as a rookie, he only had 2 games with zero INT's

people want to dwell on 4 ridiculous games during the regular season and not the 92.7 rating he had during the 3 playoff games......that's just silly...more like wishful thinking
 
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alot of assumptions going on that everything will go wrong for the jets and everything will go right for the pats

as a rookie, sanchez had 12 more TD passes than did brady.......I wonder how well brady would have done as a rookie....sanchez had as many zero INT games during the season as brady did......

manning had 28 INT's as a rookie while his biggest target was marshall faulk.....go figure......as a rookie, he only had 2 games with zero INT's

people want to dwell on 4 ridiculous games during the regular season and not the 92.7 rating he had during the 3 playoff games......that's just silly...more like wishful thinking

So now he's worthy of being compared to the two greatest QB's of their era?

We'll throw out the entire season and focus on 3 games where he averaged just under 23 attempts per game and still only managed to complete 60% of his passes for about 180 YPG.
Against defenses that were without a doubt focused on taking away the run.
Put him in the hall!
 
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Read that section that you quoted again. I actually compared Thomas Jones' last three games to Shonn Greene's last three games, one of them being against the same team one week apart. The only difference is that Cincy was playing for more when Greene was the Jets' lead back as opposed to Jones... and Greene still shredded them for much more.

Any way you slice it, it is a three game stretch. Not exactly a great sample size in determining who will be a better RB for an entire season.



I'm not buying that last line at all. There isn't THAT much of a difference between Jones' and Greene's running styles. On top of that, whether they were "expecting Jones" or not, they were still gearing up for the run game. Hell, everyone and their mother knew what the Jets offensive gameplan was headed into the playoffs: run the ball and only let Sanchez manage the game. Even my girlfriend knew that. Cincy, San Diego, and Indy gameplanned that way as well. They dropped one, sometimes two, extra men in the box to stop the run game. By the way, that last line could only *MAYBE* be applied to one game, and that's the wild card game. After the wild card, San Diego and Indy knew they had to gameplan for Greene as well as Jones.

Actually there is a significant difference between the two. Greene has 15-20 lbs on Jones. Jones is more elusive than Greene who likes to run through people. If Thomas Jones ran like Shonn Greene does, he would be retired by now. You cannot be a north-south straight line between the tackles runner at 212lbs.

Again knowing the Jets were going to run the ball and which RB is going to run it is two different things. They were not prepared for Greene to be the lead back. They might have had the same results if they did, but we will never really know.


First of all, throwing Joseph Addai in here to try to make a point is a pretty clear cut red herring. But I'll address it even though it didn't really have a place in the original discussion. Addai's 2006 (rookie season) attempts: 226 (1,081 yards). By the way, he started 0 of those games. Addai's 2007 attempts: 261 (1,072 yards). Addai's 2008 attempts: 155 (544 yards). Addai's 2009 attempts: 219 (828 yards). As you can see, after his first two seasons, Addai's attempts went down SIGNIFICANTLY in 2008. In 2009, they went back up but he was also battling for playing time with Donald Brown and Indy's other backs as well. Another funny thing about Addai's 2009 season is that he set a career high in receptions (51) which says a lot about my point: that he plays in an offensive system that isn't conducive to him being a stat machine at the position. On top of this, you make an interesting point below about the Patriots run blocking suffering at the expense of their pass blocking. You should probably take this into account when looking at Indianapolis and Joseph Addai as well.

Um first, Addai is not a red herring. Again, I mentioned Matt Forte and someone else mentioned Steve Slaton (both had strong rookie years and mediocre second ones).

Second, Addai's product dropped off overnight after he played the Patriots in Novemeber of 2007.

Third, the Colts have always thrown a large number of balls to their RBs. Considering the Colts couldn't get a running game going because Addai was so bad of a runner, they were forced to throw it more. Not because of the system, but because part of the system was broken (the running game).



These are all valid points, Rob. However, that said, with the way Sanchez's season went in 2009 (abysmal) I don't think it's far fetched to say that he'll probably improve, if only by a little bit. And their run blocking could suffer. I certainly hope it does. However, I doubt the Jets will go pass-first like the Pats did in 2007 (which is the season that I believe our offensive line lost it's smashmouth run blocking style). And, personally, I think the Jets have a pretty good receiving corps. They could upgrade Braylon Edwards, but Jerricho Cotchery is their WR2 and he is one of the better WR2's in the AFC. They also have Keller at TE who isn't too shabby either. It isn't exactly like Sanchez doesn't have anything to work with. If he improves only a little, he does have weapons at his disposal.

Well, Sanchez could potentially be worse. People have a year's worth of game film on the guy and an entire offseason to gameplan for him. Just because he sucked during the regular season last year doesn't mean he has nowhere to go but up. Sanchez seems to do better the MORE the Jets run.

Cotchery is a decent #2, not one of the top #2 WRs. Keller is maddening. He has great talent, but he is very up and down.



You can't really say that about Jones either, though. Jones wasn't constantly facing 8 guys in the box consistently until after the bye week. When he did, he started to break down quickly (as any Jets fan will probably tell you). Regardless, I still think the Jets draft another RB this year and they get Leon Washington back as a third down specialist, so I doubt Greene will be carrying the running game all by himself (though he will, obviously, be the feature back). So we shall see. I'm hoping for nothing but the worst for Greene and the Jets. I just have my doubts as to whether that will happen.

Jones just had his fifth year in a row of over 1100 yards and fourth in five years of over 1,200 yards. He had 1312 yards and 13 rushing TDs in 2008. Jones faced a lot of eight in the box all year long. With a rookie QB without a lot of college experience, the gameplan all season to stop the Jets offense was to stifle the run and force Sanchez to throw. To say otherwise is incorrect.
 
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So now he's worthy of being compared to the two greatest QB's of their era?

We'll throw out the entire season and focus on 3 games where he averaged just under 23 attempts per game and still only managed to complete 60% of his passes for about 180 YPG.
Against defenses that were without a doubt focused on taking away the run.
Put him in the hall!

Comparing Sanchez to Manning is ridiculous. Yes, Manning threw 8 more INTs his rookie year than Sanchez, Manning also threw 211 more passes his rookie season than Sanchez did (Sanchez only completed 196 passes on the season). A better comparison would be TDs and INTs per attempt. Manning threw a TD on every 22.1 attempts and an INT for every 20.5 attempt. Sanchez threw a TD every 30.3 attempt and an INT every 18.2 attempt.

The fact of the matter is the Colts aired out the ball Manning's rookie season (in fact, his 575 attempts that year is still his record number of attempts for a season) and the Jets didn't with Sanchez (only 364 attempts which was 25th in the league). To campare their number of INTs without examining the data closer (like Manning passing a lot more, getting 1295 more yards and 14 more TDs) is very misleading. Manning showed he was going to be an elite QB his rookie season, the jury is still very out with Sanchez.
 
1) If you honestly think Thomas Jones was a better back down the stretch than Greene, you're an idiot.

2) Cromartie>>>>Sheppard

3) The Pats should still win the division next year because I doubt Sanchez will be able to produce constantly.

4) The Jets should be the favorites going in if your looking at it with an unbiased perspective.

5) LT is a better complement to Greene than Jones is. The Jets wanted to give Greene more carries because hes the better back and to have Jones come off the bench and spell him isnt as much of a change of pace as LT would be.

6) Remember that thread that asked "do you think your smarter than BB?" or something like that? If I made a thread that said "are you smarter than Rex Ryan and or the Jets personal directors the votes would be higher because alot of you idiots actually think you know the Jets and whats best for their organization better than their own people. Typical HOMERS!
 
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1) If you honestly think Thomas Jones was a better back down the stretch than Greene, you're an idiot.

2) Cromartie>>>>Sheppard

3) The Pats should still win the division next year because I doubt Sanchez will be able to produce constantly.

4) The Jets should be the favorites going in if your looking at it with an unbiased perspective.

5) LT is a better complement to Greene than Jones is. The Jets wanted to give Greene more carries because hes the better back and to have Jones come off the bench and spell him isnt as much of a change of pace as LT would be.

6) Remember that thread that asked "do you think your smarter than BB?" or something like that? If I made a thread that said "are you smarter than Rex Ryan and or the Jets personal directors the votes would be higher because alot of you idiots actually think you know the Jets and whats best for their organization better than their own people. Typical HOMERS!

i would rather have thomas jones on the pats than lt any day of the week. lt is a loser, a classy loser, but a loser none the less.

everybody wants to credit the jets for an amazing playoff run. sorry !! i look at the other sideline and see the problem, marvin lewis and norv turner. that's how the jets got as far as they did.
 
-How is a young stud RB not an upgrade over a fading Thomas Jones? I was very impressed by Shonne Green. Always a chance any player can regress but he's an impressive young RB.

-Tomlinson I believe is finished as well but he's a replacement for Washington whose leg is not going to fully heal for another year. LT is a stop gap for a year or 2, most likely they draft a 3rd down back this year.

-Again, it's the system and talent that will benefit Cromartie, Sheppherd and then Lowery were toasted on a regular basis, they were both terrible. It's like throwing out Randy Moss's stats while in Oakland, it doesn't mean anything. This guy in Ryan's system and paired with Revis is potentially scary.

-BB would be wise to try and trade AD, I have a feeling he'll haunt the patriots twice a year if he goes there.

-I just don't see Sanchez failing, Flacco and Ryan struggled a bit in year 2 but it's not like they were Brady Quinn. Sanchez is an impressive young qb.

-I'm not so much talking about Jet rookie players as opposed to their already established players knowing the system better in year 2. Chung, Butler an those guys will get better but the vets have been in the patriot system for ever, it only gets tweaked not overhauled, that was the point.
BB needs a strong draft, he's been terrible as of late.

I know you're a jets fan but how can you even say that with a straight face? He was horrible! He had what 7,000 ints? His first game everyone crowned him the next big thing..but even in that game he throw 3 passes RIGHT to huston, and got lucky that they were all dropped? Did everyone forget that? The kid is not that good.
 
1) If you honestly think Thomas Jones was a better back down the stretch than Greene, you're an idiot.

Who said Jones was a better RB down the stretch? Of course in the playoffs, Greene out performed Jones. The argument is Greene better than Jones over all last season and is he good enough to be a 1,400 yard 14 TD type of back. Jones is still probably the better back, but at his age he tires out towards the end of the season.

2) Cromartie>>>>Sheppard

I don't know if I agree with that. Cromartie is better, but significantly better?!? Not based on the last two years. In fact, Football Outsiders claims that Sheppard when he played last year was very effective based on the numbers. Before either guy got the Jets, Sheppard was more consistent than Cromartie although both had up and down careers.


5) LT is a better complement to Greene than Jones is. The Jets wanted to give Greene more carries because hes the better back and to have Jones come off the bench and spell him isnt as much of a change of pace as LT would be.

Except Jones was the lead back and Greene was the guy off the bench last year. People seem to forget that. The Jets could have weakened two positions by letting go of Jones. If Greene cannot handle the lead role all year long and LT has trouble getting in the flow as a 15 touches back, their run offense could take a major hit. We don't know if Greene is truly the better back, but the Jets were concerned about Jones' age and ability to run late in the season and the playoffs. I don't know if the Jets believe that Greene is in fact better than Jones but he is their future and Jones was their past. That is why they let him go. If Jones was 29 rather than 32, I am willing to bet that at the very least he would be on the Jets roster right now and given the opportunity to compete for the starting job.

6) Remember that thread that asked "do you think your smarter than BB?" or something like that? If I made a thread that said "are you smarter than Rex Ryan and or the Jets personal directors the votes would be higher because alot of you idiots actually think you know the Jets and whats best for their organization better than their own people. Typical HOMERS!

I don't think I am smarter than the Jets organization, but they also don't have the track record the Pats have. Belichick has three Super Bowl ring and a fourth appearance to back up his football intelligence. No one on the Jets front office or coaching staff have that type of cache. Besides, many of the people who have trashed the the Jets in this thread are people who have trashed Belichick for his decisions in recent months.
 
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So now he's worthy of being compared to the two greatest QB's of their era?

We'll throw out the entire season and focus on 3 games where he averaged just under 23 attempts per game and still only managed to complete 60% of his passes for about 180 YPG.
Against defenses that were without a doubt focused on taking away the run.
Put him in the hall!

no......simply to put a counter-perspetive on what other's opinion to the idea that the sanchez you saw as a rookie is the sanchez you will always see......too many people are depending on the idea that he will never improve
 
Comparing Sanchez to Manning is ridiculous. Yes, Manning threw 8 more INTs his rookie year than Sanchez, Manning also threw 211 more passes his rookie season than Sanchez did (Sanchez only completed 196 passes on the season). A better comparison would be TDs and INTs per attempt. Manning threw a TD on every 22.1 attempts and an INT for every 20.5 attempt. Sanchez threw a TD every 30.3 attempt and an INT every 18.2 attempt.

The fact of the matter is the Colts aired out the ball Manning's rookie season (in fact, his 575 attempts that year is still his record number of attempts for a season) and the Jets didn't with Sanchez (only 364 attempts which was 25th in the league). To campare their number of INTs without examining the data closer (like Manning passing a lot more, getting 1295 more yards and 14 more TDs) is very misleading. Manning showed he was going to be an elite QB his rookie season, the jury is still very out with Sanchez.

it is not as ridiculous as the notion that sanchez will never improve.......
 
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