Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by IcyPatriot, Jun 10, 2013.
Poll: Edward Snowden a NSA whistleblower hero or traitorous, criminal?
if he broke laws, he's a criminal......not sure how to dice it up any other way......
but just as with manning, there is much responsibility within the government that needs to be addressed......
just because the information was obtained/distributed illegally, does not mean the stuff did not happen and should just be glossed over.
in other words, yes, he's a criminal, but he's not the only one
I saw some of The Kudlow Report tonight, and the attack mechanism is in full operation. I was disappointed in Kudlow and his guests (Tim Pawlenty I recognized, the others I didn't) were so ardently anti-Snowden. Kudlow repeatedly saying that he hoped the kid gets extradited and is handed 30 years in prison. Pawlenty said the government committed no crimes here, so the kid isn't a whistleblower or some nonsense. Is it any wonder no one took that clown seriously? They were incredibly establishment imo.
That being said, whistleblowers are a tricky subject. On the one hand, they are revealing secret information, and ultimately, could be putting lives at risk by doing so, if not outright damaging the nations position somewhere. That can't go unpunished. On the other hand, in most cases, the leaking of information can bring to light criminal, immoral, or illegal activity that the public has a right to know. Info on acts that either go beyond the authority of government, or infringe upon the liberties of the people it serves. I get both sides, and for that reason, tend to have a tough time with punishment versus exoneration. It's a truly difficult deal imo. If you punish leakers/whistleblowers too severely, no one will point out wrong doing when it happens. If you let them off the hook, then few will respect the oath of secrecy that certain levels of government demand. What's right, and what's wrong, has no certifiable answer, and is loaded with many shades of gray.
He's a criminal because he broke the law, but he's a hero for breaking the law. If I was on a jury, I would try very hard to find a way to acquit him. At the very least, he is compelling the government to explain itself and exposing flaws in the program. Even if the program was run as intended, the fact that people like Snowden had such easy access to private info that was not relevant to terrorism is alarming. If the data is being saved that's a major concern too, because regardless of our politics we won't always have a government that we can trust.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out and who comes down on either side here.
Limbaugh and Mark Levin are outraged by the NSA spying on Americans. Napalitano thinks the guy is an American hero, RINO's and neo cons aren't happy:
Judge Napolitano: NSA Leaker Andrew Snowden "An American Hero" | RealClearPolitics
Video at link.
No such thing as a hero for breaking the law........there is no justification for stealing. As I said, he's a criminal, but not the only one
Speaking in vague terms since we don't really know the particulars, I'd say if I were a juror on a Snowden case, the severity of the charge would matter. Is it murder, or involuntary manslaughter? A crime was committed, yet it was for the benefit of society. I would probably only agree to a lesser charge, but he would have to get something.
Difficult to assess at this time, there is more to this picture than meets the eye.
How can a high school dropout, who washed out of the army, then went to work for the CIA wind up with Booze Allen and make 200K per/year??? And have access to all of this information..
Either that or we are being fed pablum regarding his history..
D - in the tech industry that "timeline" isn't really all unheard of; maybe not the CIA part...
I have a handful of people in my professional network who are HS dropouts and do very well for themselves as consultants; like $140-200/hr well.
Not that that means anything...to your point could be more to this, but IJS.
Re: Re: Eric Snowden - a NSA whistleblower hero or traitorous criminal?
I've worked with some guys like that, I find them to be brilliant but very socially awkward.
He's a hero to democrats because Obama is the president.
He would be a traitor to democrats if Bush were president.
In this case i agree with you, at least its true for a lot of democrats. But Harry it follows that if this happened under Bush then he'd be a traitor to a lot of republicans. It's sad that its as simple as that, but it is that simple nonetheless.
So supposedly he is presently stuck in Sheremetyevo International Airport.
Is it like this:
Who is the bigger criminal? Whistleblower or NSA?
NSA but who can stop them 1984 is almost here.
It's way beyond that sadly...
If he gave sensitive material to the Chinese and Russians, then hes a traitor criminal.
If he had blown the whistle and stayed in this country to face the music, then Id say he was a hero.
He's both. If he returned to the US, he would be in my view a hero, but by seeking refuge in countries like Russia he's being a traitor. I'm glad the NSA has been exposed, but Snowden could make a far better case for his himself if he was here to fight for what he believes.
I'm part of a secret organization of Americans who have developed a means of flying under the NSA's radar.
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