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    To Hell with him. Does he talk about taping signals with the Jets? No, then screw him. Rat bastard.
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    I haven't listened to the podcast and I don't know if I will.

    I do think it is interesting that we hear a lot of current and former players wanting to know who "snitched" about the Saints Bounty program. Yet, none of the Ryan Clark's of the world care that Mangini was the snitch about cameragate.
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    i've never really hated the guy tbh and I've yet to see any solid evidence he was the one who "snitched"

    yeah he didn't leave here in the most graceful way but these things happen
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    I often wonder who the sniitch was too, I suspect Tanny but who knows, better to just hate them both :p
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    Who do you think told Tanny? Part of the price Eric paid to land that gig was spilling the beans on it's arch enemy to underscore the value of hiring him. Tannenbaum was able to sell him to Woody based on if we do WE will have all the secrets to success. Tanny then perverted that into we will also have a secret that could bring Belichick down altogether. It was a little like the FO version of the bounty perversion of pay to play only the reward was a HC gig. Protoges often get hired based on their knowledge of how their mentor wins on the field. Mangini was also rewarded for information that provided a potential means to knocking his mentor out of the game. Eric didn't drop a dime on Bill to the league, just to a guy who would. Law of unintended consequences. He was never looking beyond proping up his own ego, same thing he did in Cleveland (when he threw his handpicked GM under the bus to save his own ass for another year proving he still hadn't learned the really important lesson that Bill tried to teach him while he was still here, that he wasn't overqualified to be a DC or ready to be a HC).
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    Does anymore need to be said. I'm surprised the Pos doesn't claim the Pats were involved in bounties for injuring players.

    Rat bastard indeed.
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    Mangini has admitted to being the snitch. He said that if he knew what it was going to turn into, he woudlnt' have done it.
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    I listened to it last night and debated about starting a thread. I thought he was awful. Here is a paraphrased transcript.

    Rat: When I was coaching in NY we brought in Favre and all those veterans. I thought we all had the same idea that we would go for it that year while also beginning a building process that would take a few years. We started off 8-3 then Favre got hurt and the team unraveled then I got fired. Totally unfair. Then when I went to Cleveland I got rid off all the malcontents and started to build the franchise. "People want you to cook the Turkey but they want you to cook it in the microwave." Then they fired me. Totally unfair.

    Simmons: Do you think the Patriots should sign Mike Wallace?

    Rat: It depends.

    Simmons: I think he's really good. I'd love to see it.

    Rat: He can be good but is he good for the system?

    Me: Uhhh. thanks for the insight there....

    Simmons: Does any one guy stick out from the Partiots SB team as a leader to you?

    Rat: Harrison, Seymour, Vrabel, Brady, Otis Smith, McGinest and a few others.

    Me: Way to narrow it down. Thanks again for the insight.


    It went around and around like that all night. He also said he doesn't like being in the press because of all the hypothetical situations people ask him about. Hey Rat, then you're in the wrong job.
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    Simmons was homering it up and interrupting him constantly.

    Anytime a coach talks about stuff like this you have to read between the lines. I thought the Favre/Jets stuff was interesting, particularly when Mangini admitted that he basically went "all in" that year.
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    Who cares what this guy has to say? He's a fraud. I won't even waste my time.
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    Simmons: You used to coach Cleveland, do you think they should go all in for RGIII? I do.

    Rat: It depends. Does he fit your system? Plenty of QB's haven't worked out in the draft. If he doesn't work out that will be the last QB you draft.

    ME: :enranged: Um, that doesn't answer the question.

    Simmons: Does a QB need to have that aura, that magic?

    Rat: Brady didn't have that when he came into the league. If you win you have an aura. So not really.


    FWIW, I'm not trying to discredit the merits of this thread, just Mangini.
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    My interpretation of what he was saying was he was under the impression they weren't going all in. He thought they were still building something. Then the rug was pulled out from under him after Favre got hurt. I don't remember exactly what he said though b/c I was distracted by all the goals and fights while I was watching the Bruins game at the same time.
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    Just curious....What was Mangini supposed to do? He knows what the Pats are up to....He knows the Patriots gain advantage by taping...He knows the league stated teams MUST put an end to it. So what was Mangini supposed to do ....ignore it? i wouldn't have ignored it. The Pats were breaking the rules on his home field....hell no...I would have put a stop to it..just like he did
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    If the Jets weren't doing the same thing that same year, you probably still wouldn't have a point.
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    Eric's problem was, is and probably always will be he suffers from smartest guy in the room syndrome. Those guys never make mistakes, they simply get derailed by lesser intellects who don't appreciate their gift...

    When he was here he and Bill could often be overheard fighting like teenage girls. Moments later they would be on the field coaching like nothing happened. That was because Bill always won the fight. He appreciated that Eric was schematically bright, that's why he kept him around and moved him up the ladder, he just also appreciated that he was impatient and abrasive and full of himself (inflated ego). He actually rubbed some of the cagy veterans here the wrong way for that reason. Supposedly when Bill told him that he wasn't ready to be a HC in the NFL just yet and that NY was the last place he should go even if he was, Eric's ego heard that as I'm scared that after all these years you will go to a competitor and beat my ass and everyone will know you were the Belichick to my Parcells...

    In your dreams Eric. Eric is like the highly touted player who wears out his welcome with Bill because after his first pro bowl nod he can't listen to coaching, he makes the same mental mistakes over and over, not because he's stupid but because he thinks he knows better. The frosting on the cake is he was disloyal to boot, and that is something Bill will never entirely forgive or ever, ever forget. Nor should he.
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    Well, that last part just goes to show Mangini wouldn't know an aura if it bit him in the ass. Bet he did push for that draft bust he loves to spin as the pea counters blunder...

    Eric is an x's and o's savant. He's not a great evaluator or student of human nature or motivator or even teacher. Lacks the patience and temperement to truly have the courage of his convictions, beyond the conviction that he knows it all and when he fails it's because others refused to acknowledge that.
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    Agree completely and there is no way he couldn've foreseen the sh*tstorm it caused. Mangini was not part of the good old boy network that would look the other way and expect the same treatment in return. He was an outsider, young, ambitious, without baggage, and sought to obtain every advantage he could. Who can fault him for that? If your former boss/mentor is your competitor and he is doing something illegal that is harming you, you have every right to try to stop it. If you don't, you're a sucker.
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    So he's a naive, sh*thead who wasn't taping things himself? Fine, he's a naive, sh*thead. And so are you for believing he's a naive sh*thead.
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    He could have handled it the exact same way other team's had handled it in the past: Had the camera man removed, which is what the Patriots did to Mangini's camera guy the year before.

    The difference was that Mangini went to the league before that game and let them know what the Patriots were up to and what he planned to do. That's why NFL security was there to interrogate Estrella in the stadium and confiscate the camera instead of hearing about it after the game.

    Mangini certainly had the right to take action. He had been on the receiving end of it in the recent past, but the way he chose to handle it upped the ante in the situation.
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    I remember Jonathan K saying on the radio one day that a few teams did the same thing in their building (not sure if the Jets were one of them) and they just told them to leave, and didnt rat on them to the league. The Jets could have and should have done the same thing.
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    tobias funke,
    I apologize for contributing to the derailment of this thread. I did take the time to listen to the podcast and agree that it was worth a listen. I agree with the criticism about Mangini being noncommittal on some answers, like the Patriots acquiring Mike Wallace. He is right, though, that it depends on how Wallace fits the system. It's a dull answer, but we've seen "good" receivers like Ochocinco and Galloway come in here recently and not be able to contribute.

    I also have to say that Simmons' voice is much less nasally than I remember it. That also helped to make it a good listen.
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    Gronkandez: I thought I heard him reference a meeting between Tannenbaum + Johnson where they agreed that Favre was a 'temporary fix', and the 'all in' was when they signed a number of free agents, including Favre.

    MoLewis: In the podcast, Mangini actually references how, after he became a head coach, he would realize "oh, that's why Bill did this" even though he didn't agree with him at the time.

    Koma: I've been thinking the same things about Wallace (and other FA WRs). It also makes me wonder how something like that is going to figure into Manning's decision on where to sign. What's the guarantee that he'll be able to go to a team with an offense that is ready to take on his style of play? Obviously having Wayne in a package deal would help a lot, but that's not guaranteed, and even if it was, you need more than that. And considering his age, he also needs an O-line he can trust, otherwise he'll be out of the league faster than Gregg Williams.
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    Yes, he's right but that's information we all knew already. Since he was a coach on the team he should be able to give valuable insight that either a) Wallace is a good fit and is worth the draft pick and price tag or b) Wallace isn't a good fit and the Pats should look elsewhere.
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    Our own coaches can't seem to figure that out, so not sure why Mangini would be.
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    Just because he may not be correct doesn't mean it wouldn't be interesting to hear his opinion. Isn't that the point?
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    Agreed - Simmons is a waste of time.
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