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    Now that minicamp is over, there is a six-week period until the Pats begin training camp, the next time they practice. The roster currently stands at 87, meaning that in order to sign all rookies (1 of 12 is signed so far, which means a roster move will have to be made once the 6th rookie is signed), seven players need to be cut before training camp, assuming all rookies are signed by then. My guesses are in bold. White, Kettani, and Barnes are all candidates to go on Reserve/Military (like Eckel did with the Dolphins in 2005 and TE Travis Dekker (AF) did with the Packers this year). McKenzie going on IR is also a possibility. Tate going on R/PUP is a long shot, if not an impossibility.

    Barnes and White have missed all of the open OTAs and minicamp. Wendell is expendable; there are three layers of healthy interior OL depth (there are 7 OTs, but LeVoir has been out). Kettani isn't going to make it as a FB in this offense. Adams is expandable once Warren and/or Green get back. Love is expendable once Richardson is healthy. There isn't room for a camp leg like Malone.

    QB - Tom Brady
    QB - Kevin O'Connell
    QB - Matt Gutierrez
    QB - Brian Hoyer

    RB - Laurence Maroney
    RB - Sammy Morris
    RB - Kevin Faulk
    RB - Fred Taylor
    RB - BenJarvus Green-Ellis
    FB - Eric Kettani

    WR - Randy Moss
    WR - Wes Welker
    WR - Joey Galloway
    WR - Greg Lewis
    WR - Sam Aiken
    WR - Brandon Tate
    WR - Julian Edelman
    WR - Robert Ortiz
    WR - Terrence Nunn
    WR - Tyree Barnes
    WR - Shun White

    TE - Benjamin Watson
    TE - Chris Baker
    TE - Alex Smith
    TE - David Thomas
    TE - Tyson DeVree

    T - Matt Light
    T - Nick Kaczur
    T - Sebastian Vollmer
    T - Mark LeVoir
    T - Wesley Britt
    T - Ryan O'Callaghan
    T - Jermail Porter

    G - Logan Mankins
    G - Stephen Neal
    C - Dan Koppen
    G/C - Russ Hochstein
    G/C - Rich Ohrnberger
    G/C - Billy Yates
    G - George Bussey
    C - Al Johnson
    G/C - Dan Connolly
    G/C - Ryan Wendell

    DE - Richard Seymour
    DE - Ty Warren
    DE - Jarvis Green
    DE - Mike Wright
    DE - Le Kevin Smith
    DE - Darryl Richard
    DE - Titus Adams

    NT - Vince Wilfork
    NT - Ron Brace
    NT - Myron Pryor
    NT - Steve Williams

    OLB - Adalius Thomas
    OLB - Pierre Woods
    OLB - Shawn Crable
    OLB - Tully Banta-Cain
    OLB - Vince Redd

    ILB - Jerod Mayo
    ILB - Tedy Bruschi
    ILB - Gary Guyton
    ILB - Tyrone McKenzie
    ILB - Paris Lenon
    ILB - Eric Alexander
    ILB - Vinny Ciurciu
    ILB - Antonio Appleby

    CB - Leigh Bodden
    CB - Shawn Springs
    CB - Jonathan Wilhite
    CB - Darius Butler
    CB - Terrence Wheatley
    CB - Mike Richardson
    CB - Jamar Love

    S - Brandon Meriweather
    S - James Sanders
    S - Patrick Chung
    S - Tank Williams
    S - Brandon McGowan
    S - Antwain Spann

    K - Stephen Gostkowski
    P - Chris Hanson
    P - Tom Malone
    LS - Nathan Hodel
    LS - Jake Ingram
    ST - Ray Ventrone
    ST - Matthew Slater
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    McKenzie will go on IR as soon as he signs his contract.
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    QB - Tom Brady
    QB - Kevin O'Connell

    RB - Laurence Maroney
    RB - Sammy Morris
    RB - Kevin Faulk
    RB - Fred Taylor
    RB - BenJarvus Green-Ellis

    WR - Randy Moss
    WR - Wes Welker
    WR - Joey Galloway
    WR - Greg Lewis
    WR - Brandon Tate (PUP)
    WR - Julian Edelman

    TE - Benjamin Watson
    TE - Chris Baker

    T - Matt Light
    T - Nick Kaczur
    T - Sebastian Vollmer
    T - Mark LeVoir

    G - Logan Mankins
    G - Stephen Neal
    C - Dan Koppen
    G/C - Russ Hochstein
    G/C - Rich Ohrnberger
    G/C - Dan Connolly

    DE - Richard Seymour
    DE - Ty Warren
    DE - Jarvis Green
    DE - Mike Wright
    DE - Le Kevin Smith

    NT - Vince Wilfork
    NT - Ron Brace

    OLB - Adalius Thomas
    OLB - Pierre Woods
    OLB - Shawn Crable
    OLB - Tully Banta-Cain
    OLB - Vince Redd

    ILB - Jerod Mayo
    ILB - Tedy Bruschi
    ILB - Gary Guyton
    ILB - Paris Lenon

    CB - Leigh Bodden
    CB - Shawn Springs
    CB - Jonathan Wilhite
    CB - Darius Butler
    CB - Terrence Wheatley

    S - Brandon Meriweather
    S - James Sanders
    S - Patrick Chung
    S - Tank Williams

    K - Stephen Gostkowski
    P - Chris Hanson
    LS - Jake Ingram
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    I doubt we only take 2 Tight Ends into the season. My guess is that he will take Alex Smith instead of Dan Connolly or maybe David Thomas. I really like Myron Pryor aswell.
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    I'm thinking if the Pats IR McKenzie and also release maybe Ortiz or Nunn, then BB can keep Malone and also sign a kicker for camp fodder - and try to save Gostkowski and Hanson's legs for the regular season.
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    mcgowan makes it over green ellis
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    My guess is that Tate and McKenzie will be on reserve PUP until mid-season, then on IR.
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    McKenzie has a season ending injury, why put him on PUP and not

    on IR?
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    The TOPIC is not who will make the final roster people. The topic is what the roster is right now and what the Pats would have to do to sign all their rookies as they head into TC in 6 weeks.

    More than likely, McKenzie will not be signed to his contract until after the season starts. Then, he'll immediately be put on the IR.

    Tate will probably start on the PUP. Whether he goes to the active roster or to the IR remains to be seen. But I don't believe you can put a player on the PUP until camp starts. So, Tate could be a late signing as well.

    The Pats may put Kettani, White and Barnes on the Reserve/Military list as Pats1 suggested, but I am not sure they would want to pay the money. They might, but I'm not sure how that works..

    None of Pats1's picks are out of this world. In fact, they are pretty obvious.

    I am disappointed that LaVoir, Meriweather, and Mayo were not at the OTA's and mini camp. Hopefully, all is well with them.
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    Someone please correct me if I am wrong but isn't there a restriction on players attending practices while on IR? I believe there is. It would behoove both Mckenzie and Tate to NOT be placed on IR until they complete as much of the classroom practices as they can. I believe there is no restriction for Pupped players. Can a knowledgeable player detail if there are restrictions and what they consist of? :confused:

    It would give both a Leg up on their sophomore orientations. (Pardon the pun.):cool:
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    I am fairly certain that the restriction is from participating in on-field practices. I do not believe there are any restrictions on film study, using the weight rooms under the care of the team as part of your rehab, or being at the games either.
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    NFL Players Association

    "While on IR a player will continue to receive his salary and medical care and is permitted to attend meetings, but he is prohibited from practicing and playing in games for his club for the remainder of the season."

    In other words, the only restrictions to a player being on IR is that he can't participate in any games or practices.
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    I'm missing the reason why going on PUP means he'd be a late signing. He could be signed today and as long as he doesn't practice in tc he can be put on active or reserve PUP during camp.
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    I assume it gets back to the whole premise of this thread -- that signing the rookies means cutting other players. Once PUP is available, I believe he can be signed and immediately designated PUP so that he never counts against camp roster limits.
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    RESERVE PUP....is NOT counted against the team's limit...(out for the first part of the season) ACTIVE PUP does count against the team's limit..players that practice are not eligible for either...
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    Not sure why they would not sign either befoe camp...no real advantage putting off the signing..McKenzie would go to IR immediately after signing...and Tate would go to reserve PUP...



    This is sort of a gray area of how it works...I know Reiss was asked about them and was going to look into specifics. I doubt they would put all three on that list.

    Given that these 5 most likely will NOT be at TC, it really means that there are only a few needed to be cut.
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    If you sign Tate today, you have to cut a person because Tate would immediately count towards the 80 man roster, unless you can put him in the Reserve PUP immediately. If you can't put him on the Reserve PUP until TC starts, you wait until the start of TC to sign Tate and put him on the Reserve PUP at that time and he doesn't count against you. Its about carrying the extra person. Or, if you know you are going to IR him, you wait until the season starts the way the Pats did with Brock Williams and then just IR him when you get him signed.
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    I am not sure he can be put on the reserve PUP prior to the start of TC. That's what I'm saying. If he can, then the point is moot. If he can't, then you wait until the start of TC, sign him that day and immediately put him on the reserve PUP.

    I tend to agree with you that all 3 will not be put on the Military/Reserve List. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if none of them were put on that list.
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    We know McKenzie will go on IR the minute he signs..so he will not be counted at all...I do not think he is counted when signed if he goes to IR..it's signed to IR...THAT I do know..I think it's the same with Reserve PUP...but I am not sure...do not think there is any reason why he can not be signed and go to Reserve PUP..(A few years ago...quietly..I believe Jackson and Brown BOTH were on Reserve PUP early..) I do not think there are any restrictions for that.. I do not think Tate will be ready for opening day and I do not believe there is any benefit to having him stay out unsigned, if he will go on reserve PUP.
    I agree..they all could be cut gone...
    And with McKenzie and Tate...there would ONLY be two needed to be cut...
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    I wonder if the prohibition on "practicing" includes being on the practice field to observe practice and plays just discussed in the previous meeting. Actually seeing fellow players run through the diagrammed play often helps teach the play, better than just studying the playbook, as one picture (run through play), is often worth a thousand words. If it does prevent attending but not practicing, than maintaining a Pupp status for as long as practicable, helps.
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