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Embryonic Stem Cells Have a Place in Biomedical Research

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  2. NO

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  4. HUH??

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    The president in his infinite wisdom and sound scientific advice, has decided to finally use a veto (Only took six years), to prevent the federal funding of stem cell research. Regardless of where you stand on whether it should be funded or not by the fed, do you think embryonic stem cell lines should be researched by biomedical research or not? If not, why?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Once again, the ONLY PRESIDENT TO EVER FUND EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH IS....................................................


    GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!!


    Why don't we actually let them use the stem cells they have and make a discovery, rather than just pure conjuecture, before we start harvesting humans for research!
     
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    Clearly, George Bush is a pioneer. From his theory of evolution to his supposition on global warming, the man is brilliant. What better person to control our well-being in regards to embryonic research, the Decider.
     
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    Anyone that votes "HUH" SHOULD BE BANISHED
    to the "General forum" for being brain dead.:p
     
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    No.

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    Curious, why no?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Ya think that might be due to the fact that ESCR has been a very recent topic of research...huh?...do ya?...huh?

    No point in doing fusion energy research because there's never been a successful fusion reaction. Maybe we should have restricted the Manhattan project to using aluminum to make the A-bomb. Maybe Columbus should have stayed home. Maybe the Apollo project was nothing more than a romp on the moon, and we should have stopped at earth orbit.

    Your brilliance is only outdone by your ability to swab Bush's sphincter. Arguing the point that Bush is right to not fund ESCR by saying that he's the only president to fund it. That friggin genius! :rocker:
     
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    Because most of the cell lines we have (per NIH) are NOT embryonic. There is a difference between embryonic ones and "adult" stem cells.

    Embryonic stem cells show promise because it may be possible to turn them into ANY KIND OF CELL WE NEED. . .for example, neurons in ALS, Parkinsons, or Alzheimers. Neurons, once dead, do not regenerate (no new ones are ever made).

    The other stem cells are still stem cells, but they have already been "marked" and they know what kind of cell they are becoming. For example, cord blood (if any of you have babies) is rich in stem cells, but they are already to the point that we know they're going to become blood cells. So therefore, they'd only work for diseases such as blood cancers.

    But goodness, why would anyone in this forum ever want to listen to someone who's actually done a tissue culture with stem cells??? :rolleyes:
     
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    So get yourself some funding and do your research and find the cures, then you will be a rich man! Again this is always couched with "Bush is banning stem cell research" which is a complete lie!! Anyone is free to do all the stem cell research they want. You could go an abort all the babies you want to get your stem cells, have a ball! Just don't ask me to pay for it!!!
     
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    Do you mind the government funding any research? That would be acceptable and I would agree with you. The government, in this case, is cherry-picking (there's that phrase, again) what it funds, and is therefor, left open to criticism. They can't fund research for improving pest control or computer modelling for weather patterns and ban federal funding for ESCR. It's not like they don't have the money, right?
     
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    Scientists are saying the NIH lines are becoming contaminated and not suitable for use... seems like stem cells have a shelf life. I agree the government shouldn't be funding this, but I'd rather see them fund this until they stop funding all the other stuff they shouldn't be funding, like the war on drugs.
     
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    Obviously the answer is yes but the question was asked wrong. Bush just vetoed federal funding, not the research. As I have said, CA alone is funding $3B worth.
     
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    Bush has banned all the '' NEW EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS'' ''FROM'' this ''country'' from research. Meaning the untold numbers of embryo stem cells derived from the ferility process are all incinerated ... These are the stem cells the researchers are using and they are never implanted and instead are still in petri dish in refrigeration... Most are not implanted and become unviable for impregnating and instead of researching thier use for cures and medicines they are incinerated. When he could have made exceptions to this line of stemcells that are created in a dish and not an aborted fetus.
     
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    When did that happen? Certainly not with this veto, since a veto can't create a new ban on something.
     
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    New as in, no new embryonic stemcells created in this country are to be researched... You can use existing and import from other countries.. NO?
     
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    I'm honestly not sure what the current situation here is. I know the veto yesterday didn't change anything, so whatever the law was before, it still is.
     
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    I think your right, the bill would have allowed this research, where it didn't before? and provide funding?...
     
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    No. Federal funding just can't be used. Non federal money can use new lines of ESCs.
     
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    Not if those new lines of ESCs. are derived in THE u.s.a. ? They can not be researched?
     
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