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    Where do the democrats find these jerks, Edwards/Gore/Kerry three of the biggest a$s holes in politics and they run them for President.
    :bricks:

    Also, he must be running out of money, he's trying to pick another fight with Ann Coulter and pick up some "sympathy cash" he spends all of his money on Haircuts :singing:
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    Edwards is divesting from the company, and he is doing all he can do by saying he'll divest and help the victims. At any rate, let's hold all the candidates up to the same standard we are holding Edwards. There's nothing wrong with trying to stop their hypocrisy.

    On a related topic, which do you think is the greater ethical infraction for a candidate: trial lawyer or lobbyist?
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    both are legal occupations, I am more interested in what candidates would do about tort reform and government spending and tax policy.

    IF tort reform weren't blocked the problems caused by trial lawyers wouldn't be a problem.

    IF we went to something like a flat tax and restrained government spending to those things specified in the constitution, then the need/demand for lobbyist would be sharply curtailed. A large amount of lobbying concerns groups trying to get favorable treatment under the tax code (which is why the tax code is tens of thousands of pages), and of course trying to get some of the trillions of dollars the government spends.


    So rahter than attacking people due to their career choices, I would rather address the root causes of the problem.
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    So, you don't have an issue with Edwards' or Thompson's career choices or who they chose to represent?

    What sort of tort reform do you want? I think we're all for tort reform, but have major disagreements on the details. (It might be worth starting a new thread, but that's up to you.)
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    Havent looked at the details of tort reform for awhile because it won't happen due to filibustering by those who support the trial lawyers in congress. 2 things is a losers pay provision and limiting the amount the lawyers can collect. This would eliminate many of the frivolous lawsuits. These is also the issue of (not sure of the legal term) joint/linked liability that allows lawyers to go after the deep pockets, an example I remember is one where a contractor installer a product incorrectly, and damage resulted. Instead of suing the contractor, they went after the manufacturer who made the product. Then there is the amount of maney added to health care cost due to trial lawyers, the cost of malpractice is outrageous and adds to all of our health care costs (no I'm not a doctor).
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    I'd like to know what they're going to do about the Muslims.
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    Edwards' is a fraud, period. He's got no shot thank god. He's clearly the worst candidate of all the mopers running on each side. He's free to invest in any way he wants, and pay as much as he wants for his beauty care. However, he's fooling no one with his fony front of the "two america's" BS.
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    What would a regulation that limited lawyers fees actually state? How would you limit their fees? Would you write a law specifically for lawyers, or how about allowing the government to regulate the wages of other groups that some people find unpopular: union leaders, church leaders,CEOs, lobbyists, politicians, etc.?

    I don't think anyone is for frivolous lawsuits. The questions is, how do you protect the legitimate ones? And, for the most part, who can judge? Are you more concerned with protecting the victims or stopping unscrupulous lawyers. I think that's what it comes down to.
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    How about Thompson, former lobbyist for Socialist Aristide and for proabortion groups?

    Also, what specifically are you talking about when you say Edwards is a fraud. Is it simply the fact that he's represented people whose suffered greatly and made them (and himself) lots of money because juries sided with him? Why aren't you against juries?
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    Well do see any need for tort reform? If so how would you do it. I already said I was current with specifics on how to implement it. I certainly think that class actions suits where lawyers get millions and plaintiff each get pennies are wrong. For example I was a 'member' of a class action suit, against Honda IIRC they sent me a letter I am entitled to an oil change and a warranty work. The lawyers were going to make tens of millions they were lining their pockets pure and simple. I threw the letter away.
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    It's an awfully complex issue, but I'm not sure there's a good answer.

    I periodically get letters about a settlement over stocks prices. By filling out the forms, I can collect sometimes 30 cents a share on a stock I formally owned. But, most of the time, I owned very few of these shares or I owned them so long ago that I don't have decent records, so I throw the forms away. I wonder where that money goes.

    There is something wrong with ambulance chasers and influence peddlers, but I'm not sure what the solution is. I have to believe that the vast majority of people who sue are honest, but clearly some of them are not and some of the honest ones are manipulated by dishonest lawyers. But, I do not see how you can stop the unworthy without punishing the worthy.
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    Cue a perfectly rational explanation from Patters who can tell us all why Edwards is really 100% innocent in 3.. 2... 1... whoops..!! Looks like it has already been posted..!! :rofl:
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    What you wrote is not substantiated by anything I said in this thread.
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    I don't know much about Thompson since he hasn't been involved in politics for a while. Should/when he joins the race, I'll inform myself about him, and decide, like I will for every other candidate, whether or not I like him.

    Edwards' ran in 2004, and was the VP nominee that year. I know alot about him since he's been a finalist in a recent presidential race, not to mention had been a senator up until this year. IMO he's a fraud, ambulance chasing lawyer who talks out of his azz in front of a camera, and lives the life of a have when not. Two America's alright. His and his millions of dollars earned by questionable moral means, while living in his 30,000 sq/ft estate, and Joe T's America where we work from week to week, struggle to pay our bills, and get raped by big government.
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    That's just partisan talk. His lobbying background is all over the media. It sounds like you're making excuses for him because he's Republican. He made millions as a lobbyist for corporations. If Edwards was an ambulance chaser, he was an influence peddler.

    Which case or cases of Edwards are you objecting to? A number of his cases involved people with life long injuries who would need life long care. Is there a case that particularly stands out in your mind? Also, would you object to a CEO, a hedge fund operator, an athlete, or an actor running for President. Many people think they're overpaid too. I certainly favor a more progressive income tax system to make pay more fair, but until that happens, why should lawyers be any less entitled to big dollars than other groups? After all, when a lawyer loses a case he generally eats all the costs, so he takes as much risk as anyone.
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    Oh my :eek: RW, can you please post that post and kettle cartoon of yours...? The above comments are that cartoon times, like, a thousand...
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    He hasn't entered the race, and while I'm sure his record is available in the media, I really haven't looked into him yet. Should he join, which I'm sure he will, I'll look into him like I have all the candidates of this election, and elections past. Everything you say about him may be true. I might end up not liking him at all, or I might like him alot. We'll just have to see I guess. I liken him more to Obama in that I know very little about him, but from what little I've seen, I'm intrigued. I don't know where BO is on many issues, or has been, but with time I'll find out. If I listen to you about every repub candidate, or to Qui on every Democrat, I'll end up voting for no one at all. I'll make up my own mind thank you.


    Did you read the NYT article I provided on Thursday? It's from 2004 and like 4-5 pages long. He's a POS ambulance chaser, and I'd never vote for him. People like he are part of the problem with this country, and could never, ever be part of the solution. Obviously, all people deserve both protection, and representation, but the manner with which an individual performs those deeds is where I draw the line. Fishing for cases that give you the largest payout, by taking advantage of the more tragic situations, is dispicable IMO. Maybe it's not for you, but that's for you to decide for yourself. When I see that Sokolov guy on TV holding his phone to his ears telling ever mental midgit who's been bitten by a dog to call, I don't say to myself "now that guy would make a good president". I think "does Massachusetts have the death penalty?". :D


    In all honesty though, to each their own.
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    It's something the liberal apologists don't realize. The problem is medicine is an inexact science. We have hundreds of millions of people in this country, living, breathing, having babies, driving to work, etc, etc. Bad things are going to happen. Cancer, birth defects, autism... Just because someone has cerebral palsy doesn't mean a doctor screwed up.

    Patters sees a child with cerebral palsy get $10 million and he's happy with that and satisfied with himself for having such a strong crush on the lawyer that got the $10 million. He doesn't even really care that the doctor did nothing wrong... after all, the doctor's an evil, rich, straight white male..!! But what Patters fails to realize is that as a result, the rest of us suffer.

    As noted above, medicine is an inexact science. So the rest of us suffer when a doctor behaves in a manner where his biggest priority is to avoid a lawsuit, not prescribe the best medicine. Women can't get breast exams because a doctor is better off not giving the exam than risking a misdiagnosis.

    The most telling passage in the NYT article is (emphasis mine):

    "And doctors have responded by changing the way they deliver babies, often seeing a relatively minor anomaly on a fetal heart monitor as justification for an immediate Caesarean ... Indeed, there is a growing medical debate over whether the changes have done more harm than good. Studies have found that the electronic fetal monitors now widely used during delivery often incorrectly signal distress, prompting many needless Caesarean deliveries, which carry the risks of major surgery."
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    The guy is not someone I would ever vote for. He's an abulance chaser. In reading that article, by the NYT mind you, I couldn't help but feel that way.

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