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    This should be interesting, just before J Brown and the GA's office went to pay ACORN a visit, a conservative PI staked out their office. When he observed the ACORNites dumping docs at midnight, he grabbed 20k docs.

    Sound like G Beck has material for the next few week, allegedly some interesting stuff.

    Big Government Blog Archive What Happens When a PI Dumpster Dives Behind a San Diego ACORN Office?

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    Should be exciting. Can't wait to see what they find. ACORN is going to have to learn quickly to develop more of a corporate mentality with the way it manages. They are way to transparent and don't even think with the sort of cynicism and paranoia that the fuels much of the right wing. It's interesting to see how there's a right wing Gestapo now that really invades privacy to achieve if its aims. It's a very effective, but truly offensive, tactic.
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    When in doubt, blame the right.

    When that doesn't work, blame the right again.

    Same song, different tune. Same broken record playing again :rolleyes:

    Amazingly, you manage to whine about the action but ignore what was found and WHY it was done in the first place...instead, just complain about the right instead of addressing the facts :rolleyes:

    Perfectly legal for them to do what they did, in fact a Supreme Court ruling supports their right to dumpster dive and take their trash.

    One of the responses to that blog post had something very juicy- they may have broken an important law by not properly disposing of personal information in their attempt to avoid the upcoming inspection :rolleyes:
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    Actually when you throw out your trash, it is no longer protected by privacy (settled law on this one California v. Greenwood, 486 U.S. 35 (1988)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Fourth Amendment does not prohibit the warrantless search and seizure of garbage left for collection outside the curtilage of a home.It is an even lower stadnard when an individual and not the state gets the abandoned garbage ) and anyone can take the garbage from the curb. As a result, many states have laws instructing what to do with documents that have important confidential information. The snapshots I have seen of the trash included many social security numbers and dates of birth. In other words, they improperly disposed of and likely broke th elaw in dumping the trah. Most reasonable businesses shred those type of documents

    Pdf of the law here: http://www.taxnewsandtips.com/ab_2246_bill.pdf

    More info here: California Shredding Laws

    If anybody was invading privacy, it was ACORN for their sloppy lackadaisical handling of protected information.
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    Wonder if Orly took a swan into that one. ;)
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    yeah ACORN could be prosecuted by the state for how they handled the docs, the people whose private information was released improperly by ACORN could also sue ACORN.


    The big part will be the exposure of their methods and connections. This will IMO blow apart the myth that just a few rouge elements are the criminals as opposed to the whole rotten criminal enterprise.

    Between this and the emails put on the web by the (likely) whistleblower in the climategate matter this is a banner week in the fight against fraud and corruption. ;)
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    I love the fervor to prosecute ACORN, wish the wealth was shared by Xe, Haliburton and Wackenhut to name a few... have to keep in mind that this agency has gotten 53 million since 1992...

    No one knows how many billions the above defense agencies have gotten, and all they have done is cover up rapes, stolen, gouged prices, had sex parties in the Afghan embassy... the world is so out of whack it is unbelievable..

    Do you find it odd that ACORN throws its garbage out in bags labeled ACORN... seems a bit strange.
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    Great wonderful post 13, you are the greatest mod of all time...
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    Criminal enterprise....:rofl: The latest entry from the Poly forums resident drama queen.

    Darryls right, you guys complain about ACORN takeing millions when Co's like Haliburton KBR are scamming Billions, Where's your rightious indignation for them?
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    Nah - not strange at all, DarrylS. Street-savvy hardened criminals who know all the tricks and have clearly been playing the system for years always neatly package and carefully label all of the evidence of their wrongdoing before gathering it all together and placing it in a public area just outside their office.

    They most especially do it when they're being investigated and under survaillance.
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    Hey lookie there! Look at what they are doing, don't pay attention to what is happening over here!

    The all deserve attention for fraud :rolleyes:

    Not odd at all considering how some communities and counties have strict trash requirements...:rolleyes:
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    "The best place to hide something is in plain sight." :rolleyes:
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    I think a pattern is beginning to emerge -- hacking emails, rummaging through garbage, entrapping people (as they did with a couple ACORN activists). I did not mean to imply it's illegal, I'm merely talking about the tactic. ACORN was certainly wrong for not shredding confidential info, and as I said they are going to have to develop a more corporate mentality and not be so transparent. I bet that ACORN office did not employ the sort of cynics who think someone will go through their garbage.
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    You are doing the old sleight of hand...focus on one, draw attention from the other.

    Complain about the divers, avoid talking about what they found...:rolleyes:

    In other words, don't get caught dumping trash to avoid search and seizure by the state next time...do what the CEOs do and shred and burn damaging files before dumping their trash :rolleyes:

    Back to deflecting again :rolleyes:
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    I'm not worried about what they found, though private info certainly should have been shredded as a matter of course.

    You're assuming there are smoking guns in that trash. I'm assuming not. Time will tell. Until that happens, there are only two issues: ACORN's careless handling of people's confidential info (I don't know if that's illegal) and the right's use of hacking, going through trash, and entrapping in an attempt to discredit people. If terrorist plans are turned up in that trash, then we'll be thankful to the right even if we don't like their methods.

    I suppose if the right is capable of championing torture and condemning empathy, I should not be surprised by anything they do.
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    There appears to be some type of belief that ACORN is a bad, evil organization.. in reality it is a poor person's network... as much as the right wants to demonize it, in reality all they are doing is alienating the folks who see the Republican Party that is out of touch with the growing poor.

    Comparatively speaking there has been minimal criminal action of this agency, particularly as it is more of a federation of organizations... but the right has killed it. They have not been convicted of any crimes, all the while Haliburton builds military housing in Iraq that killed soldiers and then covered up a gang rape of a female employee, Xe's leader Erik Prince if under indictment for murder, Wackenhut's security guards had sex parties in Afghanistan and their is no outrage... there has been fuel gouging by Haliburton... but there is silence over the billions wasted... guess folks think that this is ok.

    When it comes to voting, the eal threat to democracy is the nonstop campaign by the G.O.P. and its supporters to disenfranchise American citizens who have every right to cast a ballot. We saw this in 2000. We saw it in 2004. Consider telling people to vote on a different day last election and the previous shenanigans in NH.. the reality is that ACORN has never been implicated in any Voter Fraud....but it makes great circle jerk material for the right.

    ACORN will not survive, but there will be something to replace it... and all the right is doing is distancing itself from the poor and showing that their interest is in destruction of systems that are designed to help those who are less fortunate...

    The PI dumpster dived, took the documents shared it with Breitbart, instead of turning it over to the police or AG... if you know of a crime you have the first responsiblity to report it, if there was something criminal here it has lost its credibility as the "chain of evidence" has been broken.. anyone who knows anything about rules of evidence knows that.. all an attorney has to do is show that it various people had access to the information and the information will be deemed worthless.. it could show a grand conspiracy of the grandest conspiracy, but as it was not handled appropriately by law enforcement folks it really means nothing.. all an attorney has to do s that the chain of custody was broken, left unguarded or anyone had access to the info it gets thrown out and will be useless in a court of law... but it makes for great hysteria..

    This stuff is better suited for TMZ, than for national politics... reminds me of the paparazzi stuff...
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    Prob not no mention of BC records. :D
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    I wonder why the Liberals love and coddle The Acorns.......:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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    I had a multi-part reply ripping apart your quotes but my computer died on me and refused to get online again so I'll leave you at your word on our tit for tat...

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