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  1. festy1986

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    Three names for those who say be paitent, in BB we trust.

    I am paitent and will continue to be, I find the whole thing obvious. There not doing anything as of right now because there looking into Branch and Seymor get that all cleared up before they spend the money.

    But they need to get some players here because there not going to get anyone from the draft that is going to help this team win a SB, the team right now even if they find replacements for the players they lost is worse then last year, Willie just came off his best season ever and at 34 too.

    We need more pieces, and I hope something via trade is being talked about because I don't think the Pats can suffer through another off season like they did last year.

    So the people who are complaining about the pats doing nothing, they have every right and valid right at that when you look at the key pick ups of last year.
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    We need an icon for a Bronx cheer.
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    "Not get anyone in the draft to help win a SB"? How soon we forget. You threw out three FA names from last year but how about some draft picks that did help win a Super Bowl as rookies? Say guys like Vince Wilfork in 04 or Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, and Bethel Johnson in 03? Let's not discount what rookies can do. Logan Mankins and Nick Kaczur did not cost them a Super Bowl run last year.
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    no no no

    There will be guys in the draft that can help us win the Superbowl, the NFL above all sports you can get valid players in all the rounds.

    I only meant the Pats aren't going to get anyone who will be game changing, a dominit facotor or a play maker. Atleast not one that is going to do all this in his rookie season.

    They need someone like that, someone who can make the plays like a Bruschi or someone who can do things on both sides of the ball like a vrabel.

    They need some players if they want to compete, you can only relay on Brady's arm to a certain point.
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    I believe that both Matt Light and Richard Seymour were rookies when we won our first one. They did help as I recall.
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    I think you're right.
    those 3 guys did'nt pan out, so we must be screwed.
    No rookie ever helped anybody win a SB.
    Stop the Insanity! lol
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    :DYou old bastad, that's ancient history. How could I forget them? Senility at 36?
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    Rookies Wilson, Koppen , Samuel & Warren all contributed to the 2003 SB winning pat's team.
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    What can I say...the johney come latelys are runing the asylum with stupidity...fairweather phonies in my book...Get that bronx cheer..here...short sighted and nothing between the ears..
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    I was actually referring to the upcoming draft, you know the one where the Pats don't have the number 3 over all pick?

    Don't make excuses, I am completly correct in saying that last years offseason was below horrible and that since this year nothing has been done I find it relevent to say that the Pats could be in trouble.

    There not going to get a richard seymor in this draft, and after this year they might not even have a seymor.
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    Bryan Cox, Roman Phipher, Antwoin Smith, Otis Smith, Terrell Buckley, Ty Poole (had to put him in there), Bobby Hamilton, Traylor, Colvin, Vrabel, and Harrison all FA pickups that helped us win atleast 1 superbowl each. Those are just the ones I can think of off of the top of my head. You picked out 3 names and ignored the rest, I will go by their track record over a few select names you mentioned and Starks was a trade. If you want to mention trades I can think of a couple of decent names that I can mention.
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    Im sorry but I'm fairwetherd?

    Nice to see you know what your talking about, because some of us don't take the time to learn the FA and cap rules and all that backward and up doesn't mean they any less of a fan then the dumbasses who do.

    I've been a fan of the Pats my whole life, never lived out side of Maine and I don't appreciate being called a fair wethered fan because I showed the Pats can make bad FA decisions, if last year wasn't bad then what is sir tell me?

    I'm not talking about what the Pats haven't done this year but what they can still do that matters? There are a few solid players left on the table but nothing I think really would make a huge differance.
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    Yes, i know. I was being sarcastic.
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    The igoronance of some of you Pat fans is crazy

    I'm talking about last years FA pick ups, I did not say the pats don't get good players in FA I'm making a anolgy (sp) from last years FA to this years

    And I'm talking about this years rookie class, not ones from the SB winning teams

    I simply want to know what the Pats have for them to go get that will make the differance this year, and people going to jump down my throat and call me a Pats fan because they win? Awesome, I guess that makes me a Steeler fan now doesn't it?
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    Actually that is debateable. Brady took a BEATING last year. He got hit over and over even when those hits didn't lead to sacks. Brady got injured due to those hits, which certainly had an effect on his accuracy as was evident late in the season. I'm not saying it would have been that much different had Light and Koppen not gotten injured, but it sure didn't help any having those rooks in there.

    Ellis Hobbs' fumble in Denver didn't help our title run either.

    Or the numerous failed attempts at shoring up the SS position with young inexperienced players.

    For all the stories of how much the rookies HELPED in our previous runs, they didn't help last season. Why's that? Because the VETS AROUND THEM WERE INJURED. We need experienced vets to help prop up those young green rookies. If we're depending on Rookies to come in and fix everything then we're in for a LONGGGGGGGGGGG season (last season was horrible, but if we're replacing Givens, Brown, McGinest, Vinatieri etc with more rookies then expect more of the same).
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    Does that mean we're not going to win the "Off Season Trophy"?
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    festy,

    dont get your panties in a wad.

    You ought to recognize that a guy with 33 posts and a join date of Jan 2006 might possibly be considered a fair-weather fan by some grizzled pats-fans posters.

    Really he should be calling you a board-newbie and not a fair weather fan.

    Guys shouldn't make those kind of blanket indictments on such limited info, but that is the way of the internet. Deal with it. You stated your credentials; I think anyone is willing to accept what you say at face value.
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    Fatal slip occurred in your first sentence.

    ".......you Pat fans..."

    Pick up your clothes and go home.
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    Other then a few RBs edge, lewis etc. there weren't any huge names on the market other then the kickers and that one Receiver guy with the big mouth, a QB recovering from an injury. The best OL available was gobbled up instantly and for an insane amount of money, the DB's were ah ok but mostly aging, the DL's don't concern us a whole lot. LB is a need but there wasn't a lot of talent out there and the one's that had it got paid too much. This was an odd year for FA, a lot of money due to the new CBA and not much talent. Please tell me who has been signed thus far that would make you say "that is all we needed to win the 4th SB"? It's not a great year for pickups
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    How nice, I tried to keep my self out of trouble with people around here but I won't do so with un warranted attacks, 'you pats fans' is my self as a pats fan referring to the kind of Pat fans other nfl fans take us as, the arragont, ****y, no one is as good as us kind.

    But unlike some of the people around here, I don't need to post 2,000 times to prove what kind of fan I am. In fact this season above all to be called a fair weatherd fan but still be around kind of prooves a little more then most.
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    Yea but there are good players out there that I hope the pats show interest in, likes of Peterson, Charles Woods, Law, maybe a trade for Rey Lewis.

    They need to work on the defensive side first, but I keep reading about the Poston brothers who I don't know because I don't read into players agent but apparently there are teams who don't deal with players, kind of dumb to limit the players you can go after because of their agents.
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    How could we possibly know that without seeing his grade and evaluation reports from the end of the season review of all the game film?

    Just because talking heads or newspaper scribes yakkin' on the radio say something, doesn't make it true. If I recall, the Pats defense couldn't stop anybody for the first half of the season. I doubt if many "best ever seasons" evaluations were being handed out by the Pats coaches.
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    I know strep throat is going through alot of grade schools this week and lots of children are home sick. How many different ways of spelling "weather" are you going to come up with today? You had 2 or 3 other methods in your previous posts in this thread.

    For someone who claims to live in Maine, you'd think you'd have this word down by now.
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    you would think so wouldn't you?

    As for Willies best season, I couldn't say that and be totally honest, it's just a opinion of mine created by watching him play this year.
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    I am always glad that people already know what will happen in April and in the next year....
    "Pats aren't going to get anyone who will be game changing, a dominant factor or a play maker"....Huh??? I just don't get it..It is just as baffling as when you say you are patient...and show you are not at all....Huh???? Makes no sense at all..sorry.
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    I just look at who is availible that is all
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    Some agents especially the p!sshead brothers have unreasonable expectations for their clients and they are generally a pain to work with. Take Ty Law for example why do you think he hasn't had his name in the news lateley? I think Woodson is overrated, well in my mind I know. Peterson is interesting because he is young and talented but the knock on him is that he is stupid, I would be happy if they signed peterson because of his talent. Lewis I am not to sure about it is intriguing but he kind of personifies everything that is anti-patriot.
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    LOL...LOL....
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    You named 3 guys they picked after 2 short super bowl post seasons when they were tired and tried to fill needs.

    So you're saying they should be patient and be sure to make solid moves this year?

    After all, they wouldn't want to repeat those mistakes made while hastily trying to fill needs.

    Right?

    Haste makes waste.

    Patience is a virtue.
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