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Draftek Has 11 OLB's and DL's In Top Top 18

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  1. mgteich

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    Draftek has 11 OLB's and DL's in 18, along with 3 DB's, 2 Qb's and 2 WR's.

    1) We end up with a choice of the #10 and #11 defensive front seven players. We are very lucky to have the choice of Watt or Wilkerson.

    2) A running back at #28 isn't terrible with one of Solder, Weisnewski and Camimi likely to be there at 33. I would rather choose the lineman or trade down.

    3) We pick the 5th of the OT's.

    4) Reed is a fine choice if he is still there (as is pointed out, he is moving up fast)

    5/6) I'd rather trade in 2012 than draft a WR. Better is to draft Watkins, but he is unlikely to be there ar 74 or at 92. More realistic would to trade 74 and 92 for 55 and then draft Watkins.

    As someone as already posted, they have us taking
    17 J.J. Watt DE34
    28 Mikel LeShoure RB
    33 Gabe Carimi T
    60 Brooks Reed OLB34
    74 Austin Pettis WR
    92 Danny Watkins G
    124 Chykie Brown CB
    156 Derrick Locke RB
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    The great thing about the system is that it lets you play around with the inputs and see what you come up with.

    The downside is that it's based on a human assessment of needs, and those assessments are sometimes badly, badly flawed.
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    Overall, one of the better efforts I've seen.

    1) Like most, I'd question taking an RB that high.
    2) Reed may well go earlier than #60
    3) I like Pettis, though not this early. He's 6025/205, an excellent route-runner with very good hands, but not much long speed. From what I've been reading though, his lack of long speed is causing him to drop and he might be had well after #92, which I'd be okay with.
    4) OTOH, I don't see any way Watkins lasts until the #92
    5) We might actually do better than Brown for a CB, even at #124
    6) Derrick Locke could be a great snag at #156, but I think he goes earlier

    More realistic might be:

    17 - Watt
    28 - Carimi
    33 - Watkins
    60 - Reed (assuming)
    74 - (an alternate CB)
    92 - Pettis
    124 - Locke
    156 - David Carter (or whoever)
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    based on the way that draf tworks out.....

    17 - DE wilkerson
    28 - RB leshoure......unless tyron smith falls
    33 - OT carimi....unless they draft smith at 28, then leshoure
    60 - move up to 48 or so and take OLB justin houston.......reed is too much of a project at OLB to be drafted at this point
    74 - CB Ras I dowling
    92 - OG danny watkins
    124 - used to get houston
    156 - OLB steven friday
    184 - DE brandon bair
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    I would consider trading all picks 4th round and below to use in order to move up to target guys.....with all the youth the pats already have, it will be a long shot that the bottom of this draft even sees the light of day in training camp.
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    Given that BB doesn't draft black offensive lineman, I have to rate your mock a fail. ; )
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    Don't see why everyone has us taking Leshoure... He doesn't look that good to me. He goes down as soon as he's touched, and he's not going to blow by people in the NFL.
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    I agree Leshore is weak. I saw him play vs Michigan and was not impressed. He only had big yardage when the holes were huge and nobody touched him. Anytime someone touched him he went down immediately. I think he runs about a 4.6 and I agree hes not a HR back or a shifty Back.
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    Adrian Klemm, Kenyatta Jones and George Bussey say hi. Not a great track record with these 3 but he still drafted them.
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    I don't know. Let's see. We need to replace 2-3 running backs. Lashoure is rated as one of the best players in the draft (Scout 28, Huddle 23 and GBN 36). We have 2 picks in the range (28 and 33) that would match his value.

    I do not want us to draft a running back at 28 or 33. However, I can certainly understand those who believe that the value might be there at a position of need. Most who have us picking Leshoure also have us meeting our other critical needs with the other 4 of our top 5 picks (DE, OG, OT and OLB).

    If we use our 92 and 74 for one higher pick, we could have 5 picks in the top 60 with 5 picks to meet those needs. Not bad at all!

    As I have said, I prefer meeting our need at running abck in free agency, but I certainly can understand the choice of a running back early. It all depends on perceived value.

    Let me add a dose of reality. We are all set at 3rd down back. We have one of the best in Woodhead, and we might also keep Faulk. We have Green-Ellis, Green-Ellis and Green-Ellis to carry the primary load, in a league where two backs often carry the load. Consider what happens if Green-Ellis is injured and out for a game or two, or even needs a bit of rest or we need a change of pace. But we shouldn't worry. After all, running backs don't get injured. Yeah, right! We NEED to add two running backs, including at least one from free agency. We could do a lot worse than drafting the best running back prospect we can from whatever round the value seems right (1, 2, 3, 4 or 5).


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    Obviously I love the pick. I may be the biggest Watt fan here.

    I don't like the pick. I think Leshoure is a decent RB, but totally the wrong style for us. He needs to get into a rhythm. O'Brien won't use him correctly.

    If we could get Carimi @ 33 I'd be a very happy draftnik. Then I wouldn't feel so bad kicking him over to RT which I think would be his best place on a pass first team.

    Another one I'd be totally stoked to get. He's the only guy in the draft I like more than Watt. He's full tilt, full time.

    Eh. I don't hate Pettis but I don't think his style fits a need. He's an intermediate possession guy. We have, what, like 3 or 4 of those already? And he doesn't have the agility of the others.

    By now I'd probably be pinching myself to make sure I'm not dreaming. Watt, Carimi, Reed and Watkins?! I'd be stunned if he made it this far down. He's a couple years older than I'd prefer but IMO he's a textbook example of a Patriots OL.

    I don't really know enough about him to have an opinion one way or the other.

    No thanks. Nothing against Locke but we're already stacked at 3rd down RB. Even if Faulk retires Woody has a hammerlock on the position.
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    I think wilkerson is a much better fit as a 2-gap DE.....Watt seems to be a better fit as a 1 gap guy who belongs in dallas or SD



    not sure what the style is that doesn't fit...Leshoure is exactly what the pats need to sell the play action...he's a true 3 down back who does well at catching the ball as well as picking up the blitz. The only thing that scares me is that he runs a little too upright, but most of them do coming out of college.




    except that he's always played with his hand on the ground........there have been countless opportunities for BB to draft this kind of guy at better values in the past and he has skipped on every one of them.
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    Position on a mock draft big board != positional value to the NEP
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    no, but mocks have been right about who the pats would be picking plenty of times
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    This is pretty much my feeling as well and I've stated it in other threads. This draft reminds me of 2003 - when you had the Jets, Saints, Pats, Eagles, and Cardinals all moving up in the top 20 to grab a DL. This year, I think there will be even more DL/OLBs going in the top 20 and the Pats will have to move up to get the guy they want, be it Wilkerson, Jordan, Watt, or someone else.
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    Leshoure strikes me as a guy who gets better with more carries. A guy that needs to get into a rhythm. I think he's a "2 yards and a cloud of dust" type guy until he gets into that rhythm. Then he'll get the 4+ yard runs all day long and control the clock.

    O'Brien would never allow him to get into that rhythm. BO'B leans heavily on the pass and switches out RBs alot (both of which aren't necessarily bad things in the right situations). He'd run Leshoure once or twice a series, then when he doesn't break a long one by his 3rd or 4th run O'Brien would get impatient and bench him.

    Personally, I like bigger backs the same size as Leshoure and not homerun hitters (big plays are the passing game's job). But I think there's a happy medium. A guy who can control the clock when needed, but can also be effective on a pass first team, in a rotation.
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    There will be a good deal of movement between now and the draft, and needs will move up and positions heavily weighted high will spread out. I think this bodes well for the Patriots as the front 7 who deserve high grades are displaced by needs. I'll be interested to see the risers and fallers in coming weeks. Could be a fascinating draft for NE.
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