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  1. R_T26

    R_T26 Banned

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    Ive recently seen people say that the pats should trade down from their first pick or 1st second pick, for more picks in later rounds, due to either salary cap or just cause to stock more picks. Im sorry but i have to disagree. First off 2nd round pick money does not kill your cap and third with the recent trend of our drafts we dont need more players to hide on IR or cut. Basically the last few years has shown the pats have got virtually nothing from the later rounds. I would like to see them trade 1 pick for next year and use the other picks to move up in different rounds.


    2008

    Jerod Mayo - STUD
    Terrence Wheatley-Playing ok until IR
    Shawn Crable-IR (possibly fake IR to avoid cutting him)
    Kevin O'Connell -?
    Jonathan Wilhite -OK
    Matthew Slater-Special Teamer
    Bo Ruud -IR

    2007

    Brandon Meriweather-Lead the team in INT's last year, will only get better
    Kareem Brown-Cut
    Clint Oldenburg-Cut
    Justin Rogers-Cut
    Mike Richardson-IR/IR Probably get Cut
    Justise Hairston-Cut
    Corey Hilliard-Cut
    Oscar Lua-Cut
    Mike Elgin-Cut

    Laurence Maroney -Jury is Out, think he will breakout this year
    Chad Jackson -Cut
    David Thomas -Non Factor (dissapointed in him, thought he would be better)
    Garrett Mills -Cut
    Stephen Gostkowski -STUD
    Ryan O'Callaghan -Backup
    Jeremy Mincey -Cut
    Dan Stevenson-Cut
    Le Kevin Smith-Backup
    Willie Andrews -Cut
  2. fair catch fryar

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    No Jersey Selected

    Wasn't Bruschi a ST when he first came on with the Pats?
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    This is a deep draft. The Patriots don't have the depth they used to. And given the record of missing on players so much in the mid-rounds, I'd say: use all your picks. The chances are excellent this year, given the high quality of the draft and the Patriots roster, that anyone who is any good at all will be on the 53, no matter how many picks we have. The Patriots have not shown that they can maximize value in the 2nd through 5th round. They've done well in the first round and the last two rounds.
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    I know what your saying, but the question of value comes into play. If when pick # 23 rolls around BB feels that he can get the same value in the second round as he can at pick #23, why not set ourselves up for next year. That way maybe we can make a trade with a team that may yield us a higher pick than #23 next year (such as the SF trade which we ultimately aquired Mayo).
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    Good fourth post.
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    Good points. I don't see the Pats holding onto all their picks this year, nor do I see much point in stockpiling picks in 2010, regardless of a potential uncapped year. We need to win THIS YEAR, period. BB throws convential wisdom out window and goes for broke this year imo.

    If you have to trade up using a couple of first day picks in order to get an available pass rushing stud, cant-miss DB or OT, or difference-making WR, you do it in a heartbeat.
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    I agree with the idea of moving up as well, unless a situation as bobbybigdrum mentions occurs.
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    The Pats have moved up and traded picks during the BB era. As booby points out:

    VALUE, VALUE, VALUE

    I see nothing wrong with the Pats philosophy. Get the guy you want. If you don't want any of the dudes, trade away.

    Who says we can't win it all this year and years down the road?
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    With our current roster and a draft consisting of developmental players, I put our odds of winning the SB this year at way less than 50/50.
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    We have the best roster in the NFL and are clearly the favorites to win the bowl.
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    You might be correct about the draft (I don't know enough to say,) but you are definitely wrong about our current roster. With a few more moves still to make, we are stacked!
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    Less than 50% against the field? You're right, that will not do.
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    Maybe he meant in absolute terms: we either will or we won't.
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    Completely agree, and thats why the draft is so funny.
    Bad teams need lots of decent to good players. Good teams need great players, or they wont make the roster. In my oppinion, teams at the top of the league should be looking to trade up, because thats the only way they're going to get talent that will "push them over the top" whereas bad teams should be looking for cost effective good players.
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    #12 Jersey

    right on!

    There's guys within the top 20 like Malcolm Jenkins who could slide, but otherwise the guys I like at 23 are considered better value at 47 by others and vice versa.
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    The most certain a single NFL game gets is about 65%. Thats right...the worst team plays the best, and you can only predict the result about 65% of the time.


    Of course the Patriots odds of winning the superbowl are less than 50%. Theres 32 friggen teams.


    If you take a team with a first round bye, their chances of MAKING the superbowl is only .65*.65 = 42% at most.
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    I'm not sure I agree with your premise. The way the Pats are rolling in picks this year, the posters who want them to trade away day-1 picks are almost all looking to move some of the value to next year. That's a very different argument.

    As for moving down for value...they're already in the premium value part of this draft, three times. :D There is a very rich 2nd tier of Patriots-type players this year, and I love the value in the 20-50 range.
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    What???? Where did you see this? Got a link? Everything I've read recently is about combining and trading up, or trading a pick for a better 2010 pick, to REDUCE the number of picks, not increase them.
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    Hard to argue with anyone who will go out on limb like that :D
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    I like NO Saints as a team who would be willing to trade down to #23 and get additional picks as they have 1 first day pick. Their position at 14 is a great spot in the draft to move up to IMO.
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