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  1. PATSNUTme

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    Lets' start the annual series of draft games.Don't worry about looking foolish, I do it for a living and am still standing.

    So here's how it will work this time.

    Using the list below, make your Patriots picks. For picks 17,28,& 33 you can choose a player ranked no more than 3 slots ahead (#17 you can go up to #14 but no higher and so on and so forth) After those picks you can go up 5 places but no higher.

    NFL Draft - 2011 Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

    Here are the Patriots picks as of now:17,28,33,60,74,92,123,156,&184

    After you have made those picks, you can do trades as long as they make sense using the trade value board.

    The Huddle Report - NFL Draft Research and Analysis

    NO MOCKING ANYONE'S MOCK UNTIL YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR MOCK SO IT CAN BE EQUALLY MOCKED.

    There are no winners or losers unless you are a Jets fan. this is just to see where the thinking is for players at this time.
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    First try for this year:

    #17 Nate Solder 6'8 314lbs OT Colorado
    #28 Cameron Jordan 6'4 287lbs DE Cal
    #33 Mike Pouncey 6'4 310lbs OG Florida
    #49 Jeremey Beal 6'2 268lbs OLB Oklahoma
    #74 Orlando Franklin 6'7 315lbs OG Miami (FL)
    #123 Austin Pettis 6'3 205lbs WR Boise State
    #156 Martin Parker 6'2 300lbs DE Richmond
    #184 Wayne Daniels 6'2 250LBS OLB TCU

    60 & 92 traded for #49



    With the guards drafted, a change of style on the O line going for a more physical down field style instead of the zone blocking, a tall WR and a couple of defensive linemen and outside linebackers.

    EDIT: Just noticed do the trades AFTER the picks, I'll do 60 & 92 later then.
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    Hey, we got 3 picks the same.

    #17 Ryan Kerrigan, OLB Purdue
    #28 Cam Jordon, DE Cal
    #33 Mike Pouncey, G Fla
    #60 Randall Cobb, WR.RB,PR Kentucky -our Percy Harvin
    #74 Daniel Thomas, RB Kanas State
    #92 Sam Acho, OLB/DE Texas
    #124 Austin Pettis, WR Boise
    #156 John Clay, RB Wisconsin
    #184 James Brewer, OT Indiana


    I'll think about trades tomorrow.:cool:
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    17 - DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin*

    28 - OLB Justin Houston, Georgia

    33 - OT Demarcus Love, Arkansas*

    60 - FS Rahim Moore, UCLA

    74 - RB Delone Carter, Syracuse*

    92 - WR Titus Young, Boise St.

    123 - OLB Brooks Reed, Arizona

    156 - LB Casey Matthews, Oregon

    184 - CB Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson

    guys with an * means with hopefully a small trade down. Although I'm not going to try to work out the trade point details. I would have loved to get Carimi instead of Love at 33, but Carimi was one spot too high and I didn't want to sacrifice Reed for the trade up.

    It kills me I couldn't get an interior OL I liked. But I couldn't make it work with that ranking chart.
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    I would be completely shocked if BB actually took three players with the first three picks although i think this is the year to cash in on the top picks

    I was thinking the same for the first three picks

    #17 Ryan Kerrigan, OLB Purdue
    #28 Cam Jordon, DE Cal
    #33 Mike Pouncey, OG Florida
    #60 Ahmad Black, SS Florida
    #74 Ben Ijalana, OG Villanova
    #92 Kendell Hunter, RB Oklahoma State
    #124 Greg Romeus, DE/OLB Pitt
    #156 Greg Salas, WR Hawaii
    #184 DeAndre Brown, WR So. Miss
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    17 Cameron Jordan
    28 Houston
    33 Wiesnewski
    60 Murray
    74 Ballard
    92 Acho
    123 greg Little
    156 Ziemba
    184 Fulco

    Two DEs, Two 3-4 OLBs, Two G/Cs a RT and a WR that can beat a press at the LOS. And a RB that can run and catch.
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    17) Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
    28) Mike Pouncey, Forida
    33) Phillip Taylor, Baylor
    60) Rahim Moore, UCLA
    74) Leonard Hankerson, U
    92) Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State
    123) John Moffit, G Wisconsin
    156) Derick Newton, Arkansas State OT
    184) David Carter UCLA, DT
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    17. Cameron Jordan
    28. Gabe Carimi
    33. Mike Pouncey
    60. Muhammad Wilkerson
    74. Leonard Hankerson
    92. Sam Acho
    123. Greg Romeus
    156. Greg McElroy
    184. Marcus Gilchrist

    a little heavy on the D-line, but that would be a lot of talent.
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    Okay, I'll take a stab. This is only straight up. It would change if I could make a couple trades, but It's not clear to me from the OP at what point that's "legal".

    17 - Watt - RDE
    28 - Carimi - RT (Vollmer moves to LT)
    33 - Jimmy Smith - CB/FS (eventual replacement for Meriweather)
    60 - Watkins - OG (that's where he'll play)
    74 - Daniel Thomas - RB
    92 - Pierre Allen - DE/OLB*
    123 - Brooks Reed - OLB*
    156 - Justin Rogers - CB (slot)
    184 - Lee Smith TE (blocker, eventual replacement for Crumpler)

    * could do better for OLB with a couple trades, though these could pan out
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    17. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
    28. Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
    33. Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
    60. Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple
    74. KJ Wright, LB, Mississippi State
    92. Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State
    123. Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh
    156. Ricky Stanzi, QB, Iowa
    184. Rob McGill, OT, Louisiana Tech
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    17. Ryan Kerrigan, OLB
    28. Anthony Castonzo, OT
    33. Mike Pouncey, G
    60. Muhammad Wilkerson, DE
    74. Ras-I Dowling, FS
    92. Kenrick Ellis, DE/NT
    123. Bilal Powell, RB
    156. Cliff Matthews, OLB
    184. DeAndre Brown, WR

    With trades coming tomorrow probably
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    #17 Ryan Kerrigan, OLB/DE Purdue
    #28 Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
    #33 Muhammad Wilkerson, DL Temple
    #60 Danny Watkins, OG Baylor
    #74 Ras-I Dowling, DB Virginia
    #92 Titus Young, WR Boise State
    #124 Bilal Powell, RB, Louisville
    #156 Jake Kirkpatrick, C TCU
    #184 Derrick Locke, RB Kentucky
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    wow brother, we think alot like or c the world the same in football...nice mock and very realistic..
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    If I may mock my own mock...I'm very happy with this AFTER the first round. (I'm seeing Dowling as a FS, btw way.) Kerrigan and Carimi were the two I felt squeamish about.
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    FA will change the value of each position, but based on today's current needs

    #17 Mark Ingram RB Alabama - Ingram would complement BGJE nicely
    #28 Justin Houston OLB Georgia - We need a pass rusher, but I doubt it will happen
    #33 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State - OL is going through some big change. This guy can play all positions inside
    #60 Danny Watkins OG Baylor - more quality depth at OL
    #74 Marcus Cannon OT TCU - I dont like this pick, but it's good value :)
    #92 Tyler Sash SS Iowa - Tyler can replace McGowan
    #124 Stanley Havili FB Southern California - versatile FB? sign the beast!
    #156 Martin Parker DT Richmond - sure why not
    #184 DeAndre Brown WR Southern Mississippi - nice big target that Brady likes
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    17. Aldon Smith, OLB
    28. JJ Watt, DE
    33. Mike Pouncey, OG
    60. Daniel Thomas, RB
    74. Titus Young, WR
    92. Chimdi Chekwa, CB
    123. Casey Matthews, LB
    156. Ricky Stanzi, QB, Iowa
    184. James Brewer, OT
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    Without trades:

    17) OLB Ryan Kerrigan
    28) DE Cameron Jordan
    33) C/G Mike Pouncey
    60) S Rahim Moore
    74) RB Shane Vereen
    92) OT Joseph Barksdale
    123) G John Moffitt
    156) QB Ricky Stanzi
    184) TE Kyle Adams

    Biggest needs filled early. Three O linemen to completely rejuvenate the crew.

    With trades I'm moving 1b, 2b and 3a (28, 60, 74) to move up to #14 overall.

    14) OLB Aldon Smith
    17) RB Mark Ingram
    33) DE Phil Taylor
    92) OG David Arkin
    123) QB Ricky Stanzi
    156) S Shiloh Keo
    184) OG Justin Boren

    Aldon Smith is the highest rated on my Pats board. Way too difficult to find that combo of speed and size at LB. Ingram is the only draftable player who I think could significantly improve our offense next season. Taylor is a large DE like GWarren, but seems to have the agility to play the position for us. Weak group of O linemen, so we wait until later on to address the interior.
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    my list of fav prospects and players i think we should target...sherrod, carimi, wisnieski, cameron jordan, corey liuget, muhammad wilkerson, demarco murray, mark ingram, aaron williams, brandon harris, jimmy smith, kendricks/rudolph, deandre mcdaniel, danny watkins, maybe pouncey, hankerson, tolliver, torrey smith, justin houston, kerrigan, aldon smith, maybe jeremy beal, havili in later rounds...i have confidence our first 3 pix are one of these names....:D
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    Pre-Trades
    *17) Nate Solder OT Colorado
    28) Gabe Carimi OT/G Wisconsin
    33) Jimmy Smith CB Colorado
    *60) Muhammed Wilkerson DT/DE Temple
    74) Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State
    *92) Stephen Schilling OG Michigan
    123) Robert Sands FS Wet Virginia
    156) Clint Boling OG/T Georgia
    184) Steven Frday DE/OLB Virginia Tech

    Trading Picks 17, 60 and 92 to Dallas for 9 and 140. The players selected all fill holes that Dallas need on their OL/DL.

    After Trading Final Mock Draft
    9) Marcell Dareus DT/DE Alabama - 5-Tech RDE
    28) Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin - Nasty RT of future. Vollmer moves to LT.
    33) Jimmy Smith CB Colorado - CB to pair with McCourty/Bodden has upside. Solid Press Corner.
    74) Daniel Thomas RB K-State - RB to go with Woody and Lawfirm. Can catch the ball out of the backfield.
    123) Robert Sands FS West Virgnia - Eventual replacement for Brandon Meriweather. 6-5/220 beast.
    140) Greg Romeus DE/OLB Pittsburgh - Has Potential that is worth a 5th round flyer.
    156) Clint Boling OG/T Georgia - versatile OL that can play Guard or Tackle
    184) Steven Friday DE/OLB Virginia Tech - Solid Pass Rusher with several moves
    UDFA: Kris Durham WR Georgia 6-5/212 avg 20.6yds per catch last year. 32 rec 659yds 3TD A.J Green replacement for first 4 games.
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    This is my "wet dream" draft.... well done, whiZ. addresses all glaring needs. I just doubt BB goes RB at #17 though.
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    I'm trade crazy.

    Trade the #17 for #30 and #57
    Trade the #28 for #32 and #112
    Trade the #33 for #38 and #117
    Trade the #57 and #112 for #49
    Trade the #117 and #156 for #51
    Trade the #60 for #70 and #118
    Trade the #74 for #81 and #142
    Trade the #92 for #100 and #148
    Trade the #142 and #184 for #137 and #192
    Trade the #148 for a 4th rounder in 2012

    30. Cameron Jordan, DE (make sure you don't write the name Jordan Cameron on the card, TE from USC)

    32. Gabe Carimi, T/G

    38. Mike Pouncey, G

    49. Phil Taylor, DT

    51. Steve Wisniewski, C

    70. DeMarco Murray, RB

    81. Leonard Hankerson, WR

    100. Sam Acho, OLB

    118. Colin Kaepernick, QB

    123. Bilal Powell, RB

    192. Zach Hurd, T

    Everyone makes the team.
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    This will not be another year of trading down to select 10-12 picks. 7-8 picks is the number needed because there is not that much roster space. It's time to get impact guys to round out the roster and let the guys that we've drafted the last two years build on the experience they got this past year.
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    Trades
    17 for 22 and 84
    60 and 92 for 47
    74 and 123 for 65

    Picks
    22 DE JJ Watt
    28 OT Gabe Carimi
    33 OG Mike Pouncey
    47 OLB Jeremy Beal
    65 FS Rashim Moore
    89 trade for a 2012 2nd or early 3rd
    156 OC Jake Kirkpatrick
    184 WR Denarius Moore

    I think I've covered the bases. I expected running backs to come from trades or free agency.
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    Oooh, I like these games.

    Most participants in these exercises, however, fall into one of two camps: we either try to stringently predict the Patriots, or just charge ahead and pick players that appeal on a personal level. I will try to post mocks of each kind, since my feelings about personnel is often not the same as the Patriots.

    First, a mock for my own enjoyment. Perhaps tomorrow or the next day I can attempt one from the Patriots front office/scouting corp perspective, but for now, I'll pick players I like, independent of perfect scheme fit.

    I wrote this at work while only one reply existed, but now that I have a chance to post my ramblings, I realize quite a few people chose the same players. I'm not sure if that's a good sign or a bad sign. *grin*

    17) Adrian Clayborn DE/OLB from Iowa. Hey, if Tamba Hali can play in the Romeo Crennel 34 defense at 6'3, 275 with a 4.87 forty, then I don't see why Clayborn couldn't as well, once he's back down to the 270 range (he bulked up per coaches request, and should regain his burst and agility at a lower weight).

    28) Jimmy Smith CB from Colorado. I have full confidence that he will work out better than our last corner from Colorado. Smith is exceptional against slant routes. He might have the best press coverage skills of any corner in the draft. Some have issues with the fluidity of his hips, and others complain that he doesn’t get off blocks well enough in the run game, but I think it is more a function of technique and coaching than a lack of physical ability. Flashes explosive hitting power, and has super long arms that he uses extremely well to knock away passes, even when he’s beaten. Love the fact that he plays RCB, while McCourty is locked in at LCB. Smith can play in a rotation, and eventually take over for Bodden, who could also be an intriguing option at free safety.

    33) Danny Watkins OG from Baylor. Mankins redux. He'll play RG for us, since we'll open the coffers and keep the All-Pro mountain man Logan Mankins at LG. Watkins and Vollmer will be the most beastly right side in the business.

    60) Benjamin Ijalana OT from Villanova. Perhaps the most athletic road grader in the draft. Some of the other tackles are taller and quicker in a straight line, but few have the overall coordination, footwork, raw power, and run blocking skills. He's roughly the same height as Matt Light, for those who worry about his length on the edge (maybe ¾ of an inch shorter), but he's thicker, stronger and, in my opinion, more agile. I think he's a better overall talent than Saffold was last year, who proved to be a good young left tackle. Ijalana and Mankins playing on the left side is a dominant run-blocking tandem, with great upside. And as Vollmer illustrated in his rookie season, BB trusts a rookie LT to protect TFB provided he gets the job done.

    74) Kenrick Ellis DT/DE from Hampton. Has the size, power, and athleticism to become a cross between Haloti Ngata and Richard Seymour. Raw, but insanely talented, he falls due to off the field concerns, but straightens out once he has a chance to play in the big leagues.

    92) Bilal Powell RB from Louisville. My favorite player in the draft, Powell has the burst and lateral agility to add a new dimension to our run game. His hard-charging style and fearlessness between the tackles sets him apart from other 5’11 #205 scat backs. High speed, high intensity, high character. Perfect running back to fill out our rotation.

    123) John Moffit OC from Wisconsin. Moffit bounced between guard and center in his career, but now has lost weight and is working as a center in the senior bowl. His run blocking is flat out nasty, though he does occasionally struggle in space. He will need to improve his ability to pull and get out to the second level, but he’s got the size and strength to hold up against the big nose tackles in our division. May need a year in Scar’s academy before he’s ready to start, due to some coordination issues, but I expect him to be a long term answer at the position.

    156) Markus White DE/OLB from Florida State University. White has flown under the radar all year, but at 6’4, #262 with 4.6 speed, he deserves consideration late in the draft. Why not take a flyer on a guy who put up 8.5 sacks and plays with a relentless motor? If not for Brandon Jenkins across from him, White may have had better stats. In the games I saw, he was often doubled, and still hit the quarterback just after Jenkins registered the sack. At the very least, he could challenge TBC for a roster spot.

    184) Lee Smith TE from Marshall. One of the most dominating blocking tight ends I’ve seen in a long time, with enough short area quickness to at least serve as a reliable outlet as a pass catcher, as well. Could replace Crumpler in another year or two.

    I didn’t have room to slot him in, but if I could choose one more player, it would be Henry Hynoski, the FB from Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah. We’re bringing back the fullback. Hynoski is an old school blocker who obliterates linebackers, but he’s also a pretty good receiver. Plus, his name always makes me think of a rhinoceros, which is always a plus. More than just a masher, he’s a two time Big East All Academic, which bodes well for his chances in the Patriots offense.

    Whew! I need to type less. Sorry, folks. That was a bit lengthy.
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    I like Houston and Havili but the other picks are questionable IMO considering there is no 3-4 DE in relevant rounds.

    Ingram - Too high for RB
    Wisniewski - OT and OG are higher priorities than C.
    Danny Watkins will be 27 yrs old later this year and is still raw talent. He's older than half the current OL.
    Marcus Cannon is projected to be a Guard not a tackle.
    Sash - We need a FS as James Sanders, Chung, and Sergio Brown are all SS.
    Parker - Until the East-West game was considered a UDFA
    Brown - Has progressivly gotten worse over his career. lacks discipline.
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    This is a game. Not what the Patriots should do. The list we're going off of is not a mock draft, it's a straight ranking from CBS.

    Plus, the guys I selected would knock LeVoir, Ohrnberger, Banta-Cain, Morris, Taylor, Deadrick/Moore, off the roster. We still have lots of guys that need to earn those spots. I added 3 good OLs, I'm sure they could replace some of our backups at the very least.

    Also 2 RBs who could replace Morris and Taylor.

    One OLB added as well as a couple stud DLs.
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    17 RB: Mark Ingram - Becomes first rb
    28 OT: Gabe Carimi - Bring mean back to the o-line
    33 OG: Mike Pouncey - further o-line rebuild
    60 DT: Muhammad Wilkerson - Defense depth.
    74 DE: Christian Ballard - More Defense depth.
    92 WR: Titus Young - Speed Demon like DeSean Jackson.
    123 QB: Colin Kaepernick - Hearing good things from senior bowl.
    156 C: Jake Kirkpatrick - More o-line work.
    184 WR: DeAndre Brown - Big.
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    #17: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB - possibly trading up to get him, he's getting some attention so I can see him moving up a lot of people's boards and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jaguars take him at #16. Most people seem to be projecting him as a 4-3 DE but I think he'd be a perfect fit in the Pats 3-4.

    #28: Muhammad Wilkerson, DE - might be a slight reach but he's another person I see climbing up boards before the draft and I don't want to risk waiting to take him at #33 with the Packers potentially needing a 3-4 DE

    #33: Stephen Wisniewski, OG - would have loved to have taken OL Gabe Carimi but I just don't see him falling out of the 1st round. If the general feeling is that Wilkerson will make it past the Packers then I'd happily take him here and take Carimi at #28. Regardless Wisniewski is a good consolation prize and has the ability to play guard or centre which is a bonus

    #60: Ahmad Black, S - I don't think Merriweather is going to be around much longer, opinion seems divided on keeping him or not but BB had no problem dealing Lawrence Maroney away and the RB corps improved because of it. Same is true of Randy Moss and the WR corps. Merriweather strikes me as similar to Maroney in that they just don't seem to fit the Patriot way (plus neither has lived up to the expectation of being a 1st round pick) and I can see him being dealt at some point

    #74: Titus Young, WR - Young's stock seems to be on the rise so I'm doubtful that come April he'll still be available here but if he is then this is too much of a steal to pass up. Brandon Tate was underwhelming this year and whilst I don't want to give up on him after only one year I think Young would offer an immediate upgrade. Young is able to be the downfield reciever that Tate is projected to be and also act as a Returner on special teams (similar to what the Eagles have with DeSean Jackson)

    #92: Owen Marecic, RB - A lot of mock's have him projected as a FB but I'm going to project him as a RB firstly because the Pats don't tend to carry a true FB and secondly I'm hoping he could be a Peyton Hillis clone. I can't see Fred Taylor returning next year and I'm doubtful about Sammy Morris, so we need to add at least one backup/COP guy and given the depth of the position I don't see any need to fill this need early on. Marecic playing both offense and defense in college would suggest that he is a hard worker and I expect he'd be able to play ST as well as RB

    I would have liked to have been able to mock us 2 O-Linemen but as necessary as they are they aren't particularly interesting picks so I gave in to temptation and went with players at more 'interesting' positions (which is probably why I'd be an awful personell evaluator :p)
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    Second attempt, with one trade.

    Trade 17 to KC for #21 + #86

    21 = RDE, Watt or Heyward
    28 = RT, Carimi
    33 = CB/FS, Jimmy Smith
    60 = OG, Danny Watkins
    74 = RB, Daniel Thomas
    86 = OLB, KJ Wright
    92 = OC, Will Rackley
    123 = DE/OLB, Brooks Reed
    156 = DT/DE, David Carter
    184 = CB, Justin Rogers

    Assuming 6th Round COMP pick (Watson minus Crumpler):
    WR Lester Jean (#224) - 6'3"/211, 4.49
    WR Courtney Smith (#247) - 6'4"/220, 4.58

    UDFA Candidates:
    RB: Alex Green, Graig Cooper
    FB: Anthony Sherman
    OLB: Justin Trattou, Cheta Ozougwu, Steven Friday
    ILB: Greg Lloyd
    OG: Caleb Schlauderaff
    WR: Kris Durham, Anthony Parker
    FS/CB: Richard Sherman
  30. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I'll take one of those! (Though I'd much prefer a different running back.)
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