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  1. maryjane

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    If he can't be traded, he might make more money than Brady. Hard to deny him a starter's job or at least give him opportunity to get it if he's making that much.

    What do you think? How much is the franchise tag for QBs?

    Be hard to have that much locked up in QBs, but it might be worth it :rocker::eat2:
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    This is a link to just the latest thread on the subject. Don't be one dimentional...read. :D

    It's a decision/option we or they don't even need to ponder before next February, and a lot can happen between now and then...
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    It would be foolish to franchise him. I think people are overestimating his value.
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    The Pats would never franchise Cassel. That would mean they would be paying him the average of the top five salaries of quarterbacks in the NFL. There is no way he is worth that much, and doing that would cripple the Pats salary cap position - and cause them to have to dump several other players.
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    They are projecting at $25M under the 2009 cap, you don't franchise until late February and if you tag to trade prior to the draft he's gone by mid April if not a lot sooner leaving you with 2009 picks you didn't have before...

    The Pat's franchised Tebucky Jones when they knew he was marginal and some stiff gave them a nice package of picks for him... It's called getting value for an asset with a market. The JETS franchised John Abraham for a second time when they could not afford to pay him and still got a first for him from Atlanta...
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    I agree..IF there was ANY thought of that..it would be then NOT now...and I think the only reason would be part of a franchise and trade situation...honestly..I think it will not happen...top 5 QBs?? no...
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    Good point, I hadn't considered that angle. I was primarily responding to the OP's comment that it would "be hard to have that much locked up in QBs, but it might be worth it." The point I was trying to make was that I can't see BB/SP actually paying Cassel that much and committing that high a percentage of the budget to one position, i.e. franchising Cassel and keeping (and paying) him.
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    How can you suggest franchising a QB when you have no idea of the cost of such a move?

    And what is the logic of giving him a shot at starting because he makes startes money, that you gave him because he couldn't be traded?
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    Disable Jersey

    The thread initiator is behaving like a Troll
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    Let's root for Cassel as SB43 MVP. Then we tag and trade him. Tell me a SB MVP ain't worth at LEAST a high fourth... :rolleyes:
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    before we talk about signing him or franchising him, lets see him dominate for a few games
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    what he said ... :yeahthat:
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    Maybe this post was premature? I don't think so!

    Cassel WILL improve. BB has confidence in him, we should too.

    Not sure if he will end up needing a franchise tag though.
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    Are you for real? I really cannot tell if your are posts meant to be taken seriously.
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    I'm just saying that we might not need the franchise tag on him. Last week everyone was assuming we would use it, but now I think that may not be necessary...which is a good thing, kind of, except that I'd LIKE it to be necessary, that is I'd like Cassel to play to his potential and be WORTH IT.
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    Oh really, everyone was? Interesting.

    Nice try. Forget it, it's clear what you are now.
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    Smoking a little bit of your namesake before that post? It is way too early to think about this (I think they have until after the SB to make that decision).

    If everything comes together for him in week eight or nine and he gets them to 10 or 11 wins, then they'll want to keep him. If he shows that he can't lead a very good team to a .500 record, then there might be a market for him as a backup somewhere, but other teams are going to have to ask the key question: if he couldn't get a 16--0 team to nine wins, what's he going to do for us?
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    Downside to franchising Cassel? Is this a joke??

    There is ZERO downside of franchining him! ( Well only one downside & that he might be disgruntled with the tag when he is sure to get multiple muli year multi mil $ offers. ) I'm betting that BB already has plans to slap the tag on him & we're looking at AT LEAST a 1st & a 3rd for a QB with the talents of Cassel.

    Cassel personifies poise, an absolute rock in the pocket, he wills himself not to go down in the face of the rush, all the while never taking his eyes off his downfield recievers. Clearly Cassel is a rare talent & after his gem in the SD game I'm seriously not missing TB at all.
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    OK, now you're spoofing me, fair enough.

    But last week he was looking really good. Maybe franchising is a little much for a guy w/o a lot of experience.

    But I still think he improves enough to be a very good QB by year end. Although, as I mentioend in another thread, I could see them bringing in a vet QB to give him a break so his confidence doesn't get shot.

    They probably won't though...too late.
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    Bump. B/c even though the idea of it makes me a little uneasy, if Cassel keeps playing this way, tag and trade is a viable option.
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    Ha ha, I like how I was ridiculed as a troll for this thread.

    It seems prescient now.

    Maybe not really, it's still unlikely they tag him, but he is playing better all the time.
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    There is no way he should be making the average salary among the top paid QB’s even if it is for a year
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    From what I'm seeing, if Brady is FOR ANY REASON a PUPPY next season, Cassel needs to be the guy until Tom comes back.

    It would be horrible to let him walk and find out Tom isn't the same QB.

    On the more likely flip, if we go 10-6 or 11-5 and tag him, I can see us nabbing a 1st or two 2nd's. Looks like the draft is going to be barren of franchise QB's and a lot of this year's starters are looking like chauffeurs driving their teams to high draft picks.

    If we could be in a position to grab a pile of trench guys in high rounds, that would be amazing. I think with Wheatley, Hobbs, Wilhite, Sanders, Meriweather all healthy and getting better we aim to dhore up the secondary in free agency rather than via the draft. I cite Deltha: not everyone is loving him, but he came in a made a difference in the secondary immediately and sealed TWO wins this season. Rookies don't do that.
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    I don't think they have the luxury of doing that - from a financial standpoint. That's too much $$ to have invested in QBs, when you have a HOFer coming back presumably, at worst, week 6-10. By this time next season, I imagine O'Connell will have to be the man, and with a year more of time in the system, probably won't be an astronomical drop off over Cassel. Whatever the drop off is, it won't be enough to warrant retaining Cassel at the price of a franchise tag.

    The truth is, Cassel himself wouldn't be worth the franchise tag (top 5 QB money), it'd just a means to retaining him so we can trade him. Let's say Cassel plays like this the rest of the season, he'll probably be viewed as a top 15 or so QB, a solid starter in this league, whose experience in the Pats system will be seen as an added value. Tag and trade, you can probably get a 2nd and a mid rounder for him I'm guessing.
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    There's no reason Vince Young should be getting paid as he is, and so on and so forth. Teams will pay a premium for a solid quarterback. I don't know if Cassel is solid yet; he'd be making as much as Bulger, for instance, and Bulger is the better QB, but Cassel is younger and some may see further untapped potential.
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    I agree - but its just a means to an end.

    Here's his projected #s for the year:

    Projected 299 compl 455 attempts 3113 yds 65.8% 16 tds 14 ints 84.6 rating

    Those numbers definitely put him in at least the middle of the pack of QBs - with an expectation he could get better. There's definitely teams out there who would fork over some picks for that, no question. Put it this way: so far he's a GOOD quarterback, how many teams can comfortably make that statement?
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    Tom Brady has two years left on his deal. His cap hit for 2009 is $14,626,720 and in 2010 it is $10,226,720.
    Knowing how the Pats are very concious about how they manage their cap, how much more do you guys think that they would be willing to spend to keep Cassel? How much will his AGENT be asking for? With every good game that Cassel has, his price tag will go up. Have you seen this league? There are some BAD QBs out there. If he leads this team to the playoffs and/or they win the Super Bowl on top of that, MATT CASSEL WILL WANT TO GET PAID. Heck, he will probably be able to name his price, and he will have a MARKET, IMO.
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    This is a tough choice for the Pats, for arguement's sake, let's assume that Cassel plays well and the Pats make the playoffs and win at least one playoff game.

    That would make Cassel a "legitimate" starting QB in the NFL. So yes, the Pats could Franchise him. The Pats have nobody of importance coming up for free agency in 2009 so they do not need the Franchise tag for anyone else.

    The salary would be 14 million, which is alot of cake to risk, but they could use it as trade bait and trade Cassel for a 2nd, or 3rd rounder (ala Tebucky Jones). Cassell (unless he turns into Tom Brady) is not goint ot get you a first round pick (and certainly nobody is going to sign him for the franchise amount, which would costs them 2 1st rd picks). BUT the 2009 crop of free agent QBs reads Jeff Garcia, Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller... even today, Cassel would be the top man in that market. The Georiga QB (Matthew Stafford) is quickly playing himself into the Lions #1 pick, but after that there isn't much on the college scene.

    But on the other hand, the only AFC team in need of a starting QB next year will be the Chiefs, and in the NFC (assuming AZ either re-signs Warner (UFA) or goes with Lienart) only the Lions, Vikings, and Bears (oh my) need a starting QB. So the market for a franchised Cassel would be squarely in the NFC "Norris".

    I highly doubt that the Pats will franchise Cassel (unless he is the SB MVP).
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    i think the best scenario is a beautiful season,resign with pats and a trade for some beautiful picks...
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